09-08-2004 23:12									#481
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I see, so with 12 bases at size 1 we'd need 1 police per base. We'd wind up with 1 police and 1 doc if the bases were size 2. What about size 3; would we finally get a 2nd worker here?

	10-08-2004 00:14									#482
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Size 3 bases:

1 content, 2 drones
add 1 doctor
-> 2 drones
add 1 bdrone
-> 1 drone, 1 superdrone
add 2 psych
-> 2 drones
add 1 police
-> 1 content, 1 drone; riots

Nope, if we have a barely content (using all of its drone control and with balanced talents and drones) size 2 base, adding another pop point will just demand another doctor.

Incidentally, here is how a size 2 base with a doctor and police unit and a bdrone looks:

1 content, 1 drone
add 1 doctor
-> 1 drone
add 1 bdrone
-> 1 superdrone
add 2 psych
-> 1 drone
add 1 police
-> 1 content

So the doctor doesn't do anything besides prevent itself from being a drone; the police unit would quell a superdrone just as well.

	10-08-2004 02:45									#483
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Makes Planned not quite as attractive for us without drone control. Hopefully we'll take care of that soon.

If you haven't voted in Illuminatus's new base-production poll, do so. Also, we need some proposals for former movements I believe...

	10-08-2004 03:48									#484
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So only smacksim and I have voted so far, and Illuminatus will, soon. Anybody out there?

As far as former movement, we need to get some forest started near the uranium flats, and near the Ruins, where there's so much fungus we can't use most of the monoliths. A short road heading north of our territory might be convenient, if we watch it. We need some sensors, too, preferably on good future base sites.

	10-08-2004 05:44									#485
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Sorry but I'm inundated with PBEM's and I've got to catch up. I'll try to get back on board by 2127

	10-08-2004 07:13									#486
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Build road with base 4's former

Build road east to base 6's site with other two formers

Move new CP towards base 6's site

Pop fungal pod with rover, retreat if necessary (>1 mind worm, cannot capture any).

Move foil north, hugging the coast if the rover needed to retreat.

	10-08-2004 07:31									#487
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I was wondering why we are not scouting more towards the landbridge side...we have quite an amount of deployable military to accomplish this, right?

	10-08-2004 14:53									#488
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Well MW is going north, and we know Yang is to the north, important question is what goodie terrain does he have (as map creator said he has extra good terrain). He probably has Jungle, but perhaps even a little more. Oh, and we should get probe teams to infiltrate him, MW should only pop pods for now.
Orders look good

	10-08-2004 16:11									#489
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We don't have much deployable military - just the rover and mind worm. The spore launcher is needed as a garrison now, though I'd like to free it up by building a scout at Gaia's Landing.

	10-08-2004 16:50									#490
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quote: Originally posted by Chaos Theory Pop fungal pod with rover, retreat if necessary (>1 mind worm, cannot capture any).

for this pod.

quote: Move foil north, hugging the coast if the rover needed to retreat.

After we've landed the rover, if it's safe, return to pick up the mindworm at the top of our continent.

NW -- drop rover -- wait-for-safe-rover --> West

	10-08-2004 17:59									#491
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I just sighted that we have no forests in production..
Maybe we should plant some, so at the time IA arrives , we have something to crawl..

And by the way - do all cities have enough 2nut, 1min squares available?
If some don't, they should be given forests too..

	10-08-2004 18:49									#492
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quote: Originally posted by binTravkin And by the way - do all cities have enough 2nut, 1min squares available?

Nope, some have to rely on monoliths...

Summary of worked tiles:

Gaia's Landing: 2-1-2
Dreams of Green: 2-2-2
Lily of the Valley: 2-2-2
Fallow Time: 2-1-2 (I hope), 2-1-0
Virgin Soil: 2-1-1, 2-1-0

Each base has an unworked 2-1-0 tile within its radius except Virgin Soil, which can't work another tile anyway until rec commons.

	10-08-2004 23:03									#493
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binTravkin, you can download and play the end-of-turn save from our topped thread to check out the bases so far....

A review of our turns played so far shows that we have valued: Solar/roads/defungusing for roads over planting forests so far. Now that we have some production, indeed, it's time to think of forests.

	11-08-2004 14:19									#494
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quote: Now that we have some production, indeed, it's time to think of forests.

Well, that's what I meant!
That's were the fun begins!

	11-08-2004 14:22									#495
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Actually - if every one of our current formers could spend 4 turns for forestation, we shouldn't need any more so soon, as our area is quite wet and forests will be expanding, so by the time we get IA, there will be enough of them!

4 turns = 1t-road + 3t-forest

	11-08-2004 14:23									#496
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quote: if every one of our current formers

+ those 3 in production!

	11-08-2004 16:04									#497
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Instead of E, I think move the former SE. We still road to the base here. We can then forest it for use by GL. We can then sensor it and it will cover 4 bases from there.
Move the other former N and forest there. Then it can join up with the other one later to complete the above.
I like CT's idea of building a scout in GL to free up the spore launcher.
Built a scout in the new base.
The pod the foil/rover found is in fungus. If we pop it, do we get a 2nd move to escape if need be? If not, I say we bypass it for now.

	11-08-2004 16:10									#498
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We will get another move to escape if we pop the pod from the rover.

My suggestion was to build a scout in Gaia's Landing that would serve as defense for both Gaia's Landing and Base 6. We don't need garrisons in every single base yet. We will when we need police everywhere.

Read Vel's Guide on thin expansion and the benefits of not building a garrison first.

	11-08-2004 16:21									#499
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Whenever bases are adjecent to fungus I like to garrison them. It's rare but possible that a MW can appear in fungus and move into the base in the same turn, and that would REALLY hurt. We'll have more formwers soon and one more won't make too much difference at this point in our development.

	11-08-2004 17:30									#500
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It should be noted that not all bases need their own garrisons for protection - while DoG needs one, GL and FT are not in big danger since all nearby squares are 'pacified' for fungus spawning and theoretically one garrison should be able to defend them all. I agree with CT.

	11-08-2004 18:06									#501
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quote: GL and FT are not in big danger since all nearby squares are 'pacified' for fungus spawning

Hmm. I only see that GL has no adjacent fungus..

	11-08-2004 18:08									#502
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So it doesnt really need a defender..
Especially if we add an sensor array nearby.

But then it should concentrate on not expanding it's pop beyound 1 citizen - building CPs there would solve this!

	11-08-2004 18:34									#503
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Agreed, GL can most affort being garrison-less. So one scout between GL and the new base will free up the spore launcher. But let's get that sensor built fast.

Also, try to move the CP E-SE in one turn since there's a good chance it will get into the flat tile with 2/3 movement left. Here it will share the tile with a former (if my plan is adopted) and that will be a little extra security. (BTW, can a former be designeted as primary defender?)

	11-08-2004 18:51									#504
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I don't think noncombat units can be designated defender, because I've tried it a few times to little avail.
How near is Gaia's Landing to reaching size 2? At that point, it needs a garrison regardless of dangers, since the alternative is a doctor, and we don't have a CP in production. However, by the time it reaches size 2, base 6 may have had time to produce both a former and a garrison.

If we move a former southeast, we could move the other former somewhere else, perhaps southwest to road-forest, or one tile north to forest.

	11-08-2004 19:05									#505
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quote: Originally posted by binTravkin Hmm. I only see that GL has no adjacent fungus..

Look better . Turn is in.

	11-08-2004 19:18									#506
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Approve everything, especially the recent increase in involvement with our quieter members

Take it away CT.

	11-08-2004 19:21									#507
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quote: Originally posted by smacksim Approve everything, especially the recent increase in involvement with our quieter members

Indeed. Now we just have to find a position for BinTravkin.
BTW, I can't wait to see what have popped this turn.

	11-08-2004 20:06									#508
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Will play in 1-2 hours.

We have two pods to pop, one on foreign soil. If it yields an artifact, I'd put the artifact on the foil (waiting a turn for it if artifacts pop with no movement), and zip back towards Gaian territory, in time to catch the mind worm to take it to foreign lands.

	11-08-2004 20:08									#509
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quote: Originally posted by Chaos Theory We have two pods to pop, one on foreign soil. If it yields an artifact, I'd put the artifact on the foil (waiting a turn for it if artifacts pop with no movement), and zip back towards Gaian territory, in time to catch the mind worm to take it to foreign lands.

Obvious course of action - hopefully we will pop as much AAs as possible.