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Macedonia - Sovereign country north of Greece.
Dec 2002
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Have you read the thread? The Danes have NO ability to hold the island. They can put a ship there. Canada can blow it out of the water. They might as well send out a rubber ducky. |
Have you read the thread? Its irrelevant whether or not Canada can blow Denmark out of the water, its not going to happen. This isn't some civ scenario, its going to be solved diplomatically and in a utilitarian way, and the fact that Canada can't even get a navy ship up there hurts its claim, and thereby its sovereignty.
And as far as being "owned" by Krazyhorse, he believes Canada should fly jet fighters up there and paradrop troops all over the place. Not only is this confrontational (not Canada's thing) but it flies in the face of the Canadian Government's official position that Canada and Denmark have "agreed to disagree". Oh, and he also thinks we should just nuke the place. Do these sound like reasonable arguments to you? Please try understanding the issues before you post, let alone make judgements on who stands correct.
Winston: Thats really interesting. So it appears Canada and Denmark both believe the other country is equally in the wrong. Since I don't speak Danish, I only get Canadian points of view. What does the Danish Government say about all this?
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Finally, it is noted that ownership of Hans Ø could prove important with regards to further territorial claims in the event of the Northwest Passage opening up in the future. |
Bingo. Thats the core issue I'm trying to get at here.
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JimmyCracksCorn
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Macedonia - Sovereign country north of Greece.
Dec 2002
time: 05:36
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Since the Canucks can a) get a ship there and b) do lots of damage there, they don't NEED a navy ship. Moreover, I bet the Canucks have better capability to drop troops on the island. |
Ok, so why then has the Canadian Government decided to work on sending up a navy flotilla to establish sovereignty of the region, rather than bomb them and drop troops? Is it because you're just that much smarter than them about international boundary disputes among friendly nations?
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No, it doesn't. The only point of having a navy ship there is the fact that the navy ship can do damage to stuff. |
Not true. Sending a ship up there is a tour de force and makes a point. No intention of fighting on either side.
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JimmyCracksCorn
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Macedonia - Sovereign country north of Greece.
Dec 2002
time: 05:36
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Originally posted by KrazyHorse
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I bet the Canucks have better capability to drop troops on the island. |
Yes we do, actually. The west coast of Greenland is pretty barren. The Danes do not maintain the same level of air transport/surveillance/combat capabilities in that region that we do.
In other words, we could invade Greenland any time we wanted to. |
True, but in what way is that relavent? No one is invading anyone. Its the equivalent of a backyard boundary conflict among neighbors. It doesn't matter which neighbor weighs more, much more comes into play in solving it.
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JimmyCracksCorn
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Macedonia - Sovereign country north of Greece.
Dec 2002
time: 05:36
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We claim the island. You don't claim it but refuse to recognise our claim. |
Not true. The whole basis of this dispute is that in 1973 when the borders were drawn between Greenland and Canada, Hans Island was ignored. You saying Canada claims it is just as valid as them saying they do.
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JimmyCracksCorn
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Macedonia - Sovereign country north of Greece.
Dec 2002
time: 05:36
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Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Can you not read, my child?
WE CLAIM THE ISLAND. THE DANES DO NOT.
The official position of the Canadian government is that the island is ours
The Danes make no such claim. They simply refuse to recognise our claim. That's why it was left out of the treaty. |
Jesus, here we go again. How many times do I need to prove you wrong?
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"In our opinion Hans Island is part of Danish territory, but the Canadians seem to hold the view the island is theirs," Head of Department of International Public Law at Denmark's Foreign Ministry, Peter Taksoe-Jensen, told Reuters on Wednesday. |
Does that mean anything to you?
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The problem is that our claim goes back to the end of the 19th century through the British claim, which was transferred to us in 1919. The Danish feeling that maybe they should control the island is a more recent development. They have not yet worked themselves up to the point where their position is that sovereignty rests in their hands. |
Again, not true.
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The foundations for the dispute were laid in 1973, when borders drawn between Greenland -- which has limited home rule under the Danish crown -- and Canada ignored Hans Island.
But Denmark is cautious about signing away sovereignty over any territory, after the Nordic country was forced to look on as neighbouring Norway discovered massive oil reserves just within its borders shortly after those were drawn in the North Sea forty years ago. |
http://home.eircom.net/content/reut...?view=Eircomnet
But I guess you know better than Reuters too, right? Just like you have a better idea how to solve this dispute than the government of Canada.
Here's a tip: try actually informing yourself about things before you take a position. It really, really helps. Oh and if you just stop posting about this, I won't think less of you. We're all blatantly wrong sometimes.
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