18-08-2004 06:01									#151
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quote: Originally posted by The Vagabond Yeah, right. But the circle of bases around Russia only gets tighter. If new bases are ever created in Ukraine or Georgia, a nuke of despair should be detonated somewhere in the world.

Yeah, Moscow

	18-08-2004 06:05									#152
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Clark got on TV yesterday and said the move was wrong and would weaken the US. Pressed for details on why this was, Clark simply restated the conclusion.

Perhaps someone who what Kerry's position is could explain it to us.

	18-08-2004 06:42									#153
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Are you feeling alright, Ted?

	18-08-2004 06:53									#154
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Clark got on TV yesterday and said the move was wrong and would weaken the US. Pressed for details on why this was, Clark simply restated the conclusion. Perhaps someone who what Kerry's position is could explain it to us.

was that Wesley Clark? He's a general right? I have lost all respect for him.

	18-08-2004 06:58									#155
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident the U.S. is an aggressor nation. Hence we need attack troops. We have never defended against anyone

We have to defend what we attack successfully. I thought you were talking about for Iraq. I didn't read the whole thread.

	18-08-2004 07:25									#156
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well thinking back. when have we ever defended?

Vietnam is perhaps one example, but we lost. which proves defense sucks, offense wins wars.

Korea was largely defensive (after McArthur left).

gulf war and iraq war were offenisve. Kosovo offensive. Afghanistan offensive. WW2 offensive. WW1 offensive. Spanish American war- offensive of course. Mexian war offensive. you get the picture.

We are a nation of warmongerers, hence why we love our guns.

	18-08-2004 07:31									#157
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident was that Wesley Clark? He's a general right? I have lost all respect for him.

Yeah, Clark was one of the original Kerry brand of Iraq critics who said "we do not have enough troops." Originally, that was with respect to the invasion. When events proved Clark and his ilk to be be completely wrong, they switched to "Bush did not have enough troops to win the peace." Now events are proving them wrong again, so Clark and Kerry are switching to "we need more troops in Germany and a larger army."

How many times does he and those like him have to be proven wrong before people stop listening to them.

	18-08-2004 07:38									#158
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident well thinking back. when have we ever defended? Vietnam is perhaps one example, but we lost. which proves defense sucks, offense wins wars. Korea was largely defensive (after McArthur left). gulf war and iraq war were offenisve. Kosovo offensive. Afghanistan offensive. WW2 offensive. WW1 offensive. Spanish American war- offensive of course. Mexian war offensive. you get the picture. We are a nation of warmongerers, hence why we love our guns.

We don't have to suck at defense though.

	18-08-2004 08:00									#159
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Wasn't it an American who said that no Secretary of Defense have ever won a war?

	18-08-2004 08:03									#160
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious We don't have to suck at defense though.

We don't need to defend. Who's going to attack us, Canada or Mexico? No one else could reach us.

	18-08-2004 08:16									#161
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So far I have only found the following:

"The best defense is a good offence" - Proverbs
"Strength lies not in defense but in attack" - Hitler

	18-08-2004 08:17									#162
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"I'd hit it." - Ted Striker

	18-08-2004 12:52									#163
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker *cough* *cough* Balkans *cough* Eurocoms did nothing US put a stop to it *cough* *cough*

Yes. By starting a war as usual. And an illegal one, I may add, supporting the terrorist KLA.

	18-08-2004 12:56									#164
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker 2) your only real enemy was capable of turning you into radioactive dust

Yes, but thank god he's now withdrawing his troops out of our soil.

	18-08-2004 13:19									#165
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That's in your count of wars we started? That was going on for for years before we were involved -- though we should not have been involved.

	18-08-2004 13:23									#166
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True, and neither should we. Besides, little did you achieve. The murdering, raping and ethnic cleansing continues, only the other way around. And your (and sadly our too) soldiers stand and do nothing.

	18-08-2004 13:27									#167
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Now I'm going to have to ask which wars you think we started.

	18-08-2004 13:35									#168
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon That's because we told you to **** off 20 years ago, little boy.

Right after you peeked out from behind our skirts and realized that the coast was clear, Japan was defeated and the commies seemed to be on the decline.

	18-08-2004 13:36									#169
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quote: Originally posted by problem_child Actually loads of people tried to vote for someone else, but some swift and thuruough ballot tampering and the criminalization and right-to-vote-denial of vast numbers of black Floridans who (technically) had never been convicted of anything in their life was enough to save the day, and ensure that Democracy served its purpose once more.

Now if you could just figure out where we hid that beam that makes so many british men sound like *****es.

	18-08-2004 13:42									#170
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph It is definitely great news. Time to celebrate. Pack your bags soon. Safe travels. And never come back!

We didn't want to come the last time, you Germans declared war on us (and just about everyone else in the world).

	18-08-2004 13:46									#171
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Now I'm going to have to ask which wars you think we started.

Out of the last five years its Kosovo (admittedly not started, but illegally meddled into a civil war), Afghanistan (an attack by terrorists=criminals does not justify the invasion of a souvereign country, even though it's a fundamentalist one with no friends) and Iraq. For the latter you will probably bring the old excuse, that it was the continuation of GW1, since no peace treaty had been signed. A lot of people see this different.

Prior to that, a lot has happened, from the Dominican Republic, over Libya, Lebanon, Grenada and Panama, to name only a few. Not all of them qualify as full fledged wars and I am sure you may think that some of them are justified. This is, again, in the eye of the beholder.

	18-08-2004 14:03									#172
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander We didn't want to come the last time, you Germans declared war on us (and just about everyone else in the world).

Really? I must have forgotten this. But the Russians left 1991. So why are you still here?

	18-08-2004 14:11									#173
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I knew it -- another victim of misinformation.

	18-08-2004 14:15									#174
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Out of those you mentioned, only Panama, Afghanistan and Iraq qualify. Surely you know more, if they are more than you can count.

	18-08-2004 14:16									#175
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I am really sorry if I can't share your "we are always right and the others are always wrong" attitude.

	18-08-2004 14:21									#176
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Out of those you mentioned, only Panama, Afghanistan and Iraq qualify. Surely you know more, if they are more than you can count.

So how was Kosovo justified? Who allowed the NATO (= effectively the US) to intervene? I don't try justify Milosevic, but there is a lot of civil wars going on in the world, with lots of victims and refugees. This doesn't make these countries free for invasions. And what was going on in Yugoslavia was far far away from being genocide, which would justify an intervention.

	18-08-2004 14:24									#177
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We're talking about wars America started. Justification is another topic -- though I believe we were justified in most cases.

	18-08-2004 14:25									#178
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Surely you know more, if they are more than you can count.

By the way, I'm at work, and was yesterday when I posted this too. I really shouldn't be posting in this time. So allow me here and there a loophole to bail out of time consuming discussions.

	18-08-2004 14:31									#179
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk We're talking about wars America started. Justification is another topic -- though I believe we were justified in most cases.

This is a matter of definition. To meddle into a civil war from outside, thus making it an interstate war, could as well been seen as having started the war in the word's classical sense. A civil war is an internal affair and justifies external intervention only in rare exceptions.

	18-08-2004 14:32									#180
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