23-08-2004 07:13									#121
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I remember having a "demolition squad" in Apocalypse that would specialize in explosives. I'd do alot of fun things like go around a building and planting high explosives at all the major supports with a synchronized explosion time. They'd set them all down, step back, and *boom* the entire office complex is a pile of rubble I would then just have to clean up any aliens that survived the collapse or that where luck enough to get stuck in a mysterious floating room that survived.

	23-08-2004 13:01									#122
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In Apoc that was a good way to conduct economic warfare, especially in the high-rise slum building. Alas that a factions available fundage had no effect on anything whatsoever.

One hint for terror missions: If you have stun weapons, stun any civilians you find. Aliens don't attack stunned civilians and they count as saved in your end-score. Of course, that prevents you using explosive weaponry near the civilians, but on the other hand explosive weaponry near fully conscious civilians does not work too well either.

	23-08-2004 13:33									#123
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quote: Of course, that prevents you using explosive weaponry near the civilians, but on the other hand explosive weaponry near fully conscious civilians does not work too well either.

Preceding speaker does not know what he's talking about (not that I could read it as he's on my ignore list). The vital ammo to use includes incendiary and high explosive. Your soldiers lifes are worth so much more than the civilians (40k a piece)*. They might turn into Chryssalids if you let them live. They should have thought about the risks before moving to an alien terror-target.

* But they are not worth that much. If you're affraid over what you're going to meet inside a ship it might be worth it to send in a soldier of the CF-class (Cannon Fodder) with a laser pistol in one hand and a primed proximity grenade in the other. good way to deal with ships where there's two roads to the center. Like for example the early standard cross-shaped small ship that can really be a graveyard for rookies.

	23-08-2004 13:40									#124
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Oh god, not the cross shaped ship. I usually enter by having someone from the CF class ( ) popping through the door. If he's not killed, he'll walk to the wall next to the door and kneel down, and the rest of the team scurries in to cover the inside doors from the far wall next to Mr. Redshirt. I usually lose more people to a single alien emerging from the reactor room in the middle of those ships than in any other ship in the game.

Btw, if a stunned civilian wakes up, they'll be considered hostile and you'll have to kill them to wrap things up. Civilians killed by your operatives give a big negative score, so I only deal with them if Chryssalids are around. It's tricky business in that case to leave the site with a positive score, but hey, at least you got some loot in the process.

	23-08-2004 13:40									#125
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Obviously if it is a choice between a soldier and a civilian/alien combo dying, my soldier will be sending flowers to the civilian's family after the battle is over. But AP will take an alien down without killing a nearby civilian, assuming your soldier can aim decently.

	23-08-2004 14:31									#126
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IIRC, different aliens are vulnerable to different kinds of ammo, but I could never figure out the chart.

I think the "cross-shaped" ship is a terror ship - though you only need to be really careful when you see Snakemen about.

	23-08-2004 15:05									#127
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Skankers - not sure if you're talking about APocalypse here, but in the versions of UFO I've played, stunned civilians count as dead in the end stats, unless they recover before the end. Same with my men.

And UR - yes you could throw the High Explosive packs as you could grenades, although I guess it shouldn't be as far..... in REALITY in the game though, they were one of the greatest weapons you could have, as I never noticed any difference in distance between how far you could throw these packs and normal grenades, and they packed a lot more whallop!

In Aftermath however, the high-explosive pack equivalents can only be placed.

	23-08-2004 15:11									#128
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http://www.xcomufo.com/

Last update: August 18, 2004

	23-08-2004 15:14									#129
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UR:
From the link I provided go to UFO -> UFO Floorplans and you'll see each of the UFO types

	23-08-2004 15:16									#130
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MWIA:
Don't know if you read my PM yet, but I got an error message when I tried the file. Other suggestions? Thanks for whatever help you can provide.

	23-08-2004 15:37									#131
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I had to turn my firewall off temporarily to initiate the download.

Well, I've started my first game now. Sold off all weapons except the autocannons, bought a heap more of them. Also bought a rocket launcher HWP and an avenger missile launcher for my inteceptor. Hired two more soldiers and quite a number of scientists. Started building a large radar, general stores, alien containment and living quarters.

Changed the cannon on the inteceptor immediately to an avalanche while the other inteceptor was left on active duty. Not that it mattered, the refit was complete well before a ufo turned up.

I was worried that building those facilities this early was a waste, but I have already hit the living quarters limit and have captured some live aliens. Base storage should not be a problem for a while and of course the radar will help immensely. The medikit has been researched and put into production for profit, researching plasma rifles now. More engineers will be hired once the new living quarters are completed.

I have almost reached February. UFO 1 was shot down and my lifted off from base just moments before a shipment of weapons arrived. I attacked the ufo with 8 armed soldiers and 2 soldiers who just stood around. No deaths. UFO 2 succeeded in its flyby mission. Terror Mission #1 occured, but this time I had my HWP and 10 armed soldiers with HE ammo loaded. No deaths on my side but unfortunately 6 civlian deaths. One caused by me. Fortunately the civilians I did manage to save brought my mission score up from 0 to 90, so funding countries are happy. Now UFO 3 has been spotted on the ground and my inteceptor is hovering over it while the skyranger slowly moves on its way. Alas, this will be a night mission.

Last edited by Skanky Burns on 23-08-2004 at 17:54

	23-08-2004 15:44									#132
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"Initiate the download" from where, the Site-Which-We-Do-Not-Name?

	23-08-2004 15:59									#133
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Yes.

	23-08-2004 16:03									#134
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt Skankers - not sure if you're talking about APocalypse here, but in the versions of UFO I've played, stunned civilians count as dead in the end stats, unless they recover before the end. Same with my men.

My mistake perhaps. I was sure it also worked in UFO. Well, TFTD.

	23-08-2004 16:11									#135
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger IIRC, different aliens are vulnerable to different kinds of ammo, but I could never figure out the chart.

It's in the Ufopaedia. Off hand I can remember that Cyberdiscs are resistant to explosives. Reapers are vulnerable to lasers.

quote: I think the "cross-shaped" ship is a terror ship - though you only need to be really careful when you see Snakemen about.

AFAIk the terror ships are two storey thinguses with two "pylon"-like parts jutting from the lower part. I'm talking about the ships that really are shaped like a cross.

quote: Originally posted by Skanky Changed the cannon on the inteceptor immediately to an avenger while the other inteceptor was left on active duty. Not that it mattered, the refit was complete well before a ufo turned up.

Avalanche Unless you want to try to shoot them down gently enough to keep the elerium and power source in one piece.

	23-08-2004 16:12									#136
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It's been a long time, but couldn't you use the medpack stimulants to wake civies?

	23-08-2004 16:30									#137
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Like I said, they'll be treated as hostiles when they wake up, so why would you want to wake them up?

	23-08-2004 17:57									#138
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia Avalanche Unless you want to try to shoot them down gently enough to keep the elerium and power source in one piece.

Typo fixed.
The cannon is nice if you want to shoot down the scout ships rather than destroy them, but why bother?

	23-08-2004 18:26									#139
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The cross-shaped ship I'm talking is a scout.

Large Scout

In my ideal world (beside that my ideal world includes extensive use of blaster lanchers), I place a proximity grenade to the right and leave on soldier behind, aiming at the door. While twp tp three others go to the left.

	23-08-2004 19:28									#140
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The Terror Ship is nice in that tanks can enter it first and if even one of the power sources exploded, your tanks can roll across the entire bottom floor of the ship.

The X's are my favourite ship though, the scene of many a great battle.

	23-08-2004 20:05									#141
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger "ah the cheats.......well watch out for brainsuckers especialy on nightmissions " - child of thor Wrong game

true - still they should have put something like that in for people who use the cheat codes

I doubt i managed to make tubeski see the error of his ways

	23-08-2004 20:47									#142
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DRose,

Thanks for the link.


MWIA,

Throwing high explosive packs? Darn, it makes me want to play the game again.

	24-08-2004 00:29									#143
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd I remember having a "demolition squad" in Apocalypse that would specialize in explosives. I'd do alot of fun things like go around a building and planting high explosives at all the major supports with a synchronized explosion time. They'd set them all down, step back, and *boom* the entire office complex is a pile of rubble I would then just have to clean up any aliens that survived the collapse or that where luck enough to get stuck in a mysterious floating room that survived.

You mean buildings actually fall down when you blow the base!? What a concept!

	24-08-2004 00:47									#144
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Btw, did anyone ever manage to recruit a chryssalid? Legend has it it is possible!

	24-08-2004 04:20									#145
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I did it.

	24-08-2004 05:19									#146
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Pray tell.

	24-08-2004 07:47									#147
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I read somewhere (probably in the unofficial strategy guide) that, if one of your soldiers got turned into a chryssalid, you could somehow got it work for you.

Now actually recruiting an actual chryssalid is something I haven't heard of.

	24-08-2004 07:53									#148
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Bare in mind this was ages ago and I only did it once. I'm fairly certain I cheated to make my soldiers uber-psychic and they in turn relentlessly mindbombed the hapless chryssalid. You'd think it'd be harder to get the Etherans...

	24-08-2004 12:26									#149
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I got a program from the site linked above that did some twists to the game. One of the small but great ones is that the high explosive charge is much more powerful (200 compared to 110 before), so now you can blow holes into UFOs! Tested it one one of the famous cross-crafts/large scout and it worked as a charm. I tossed in proximity grenades infront of the door when it was needed and wen in from the side.

	24-08-2004 16:58									#150
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I seem to remember you could burn holes in the UFO with Heavy Plasma Rifles too?