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Lundenwic
Oct 2001
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Originally posted by Ned
Interesting. Give me a cite to the legislation.
Regardless, I still think a president has authority to conduct military operations against an enemy whereever he finds them. |
I begin to think you're losing the plot, in your bid to canonize St. Richard of the Water Gate and his acolyte, the Blessed Henry of the Foreign Coup.
'In Nixon's memoir, 'No More Vietnams', his justifications for having Operation Menu remain in total secrecy included avoiding any American uproar that might have resulted from a publicized strike and the desire to avoid antagonizing Prince Sihanouk. "My administration was only two months old and I wanted to provoke as little public outcry as possible at the outset."
Nixon also argued that his actions should not be considered unconstitutional since Johnson had never formally declared war and that the North Vietnamese had already violated Cambodia's neutrality by maintaining bases on its eastern borders. Kissinger's biography, written by Marvin and Bernard Kalb, with Kissinger's full cooperation, makes it known that the Secretary of State had no trouble justifying the deception. If the widenining war was exposed, the national uproar would undermine the plans for peace laid out by the Nixon Administration. 7
Nixon and Kissinger clearly overstepped their boundaries by acting without decent restraint in their respective offices. They were more worried about the public's reaction to violating a country's neutrality, than about the constitutional requirement that required them to obtain permission from Congress to make war on other countries. Nixon obviously realized that if he asked for this permission, much of the public would be angry. He would also have had to call off subsequent bombings, thus undermining his purpose, which was to display that he would not be constrained by domestic opposition. Kissinger appeared to feel that the whole operation and its total secrecy was legitimate. '
'1969: Served as Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs under President Richard Nixon and became the head of the National Security Council. In his role, Kissinger helped engineer the U.S. bombing of Cambodia and opened detente with Soviet Union. '
http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/fea....kissinger.html
Invading a neutral, Ned?
'President Eisenhower exerted economic and diplomatic pressure at a high level to bring an end to the invasion of Egypt by Britain, France, and Israel in October 1956.
During the Algerian war of independence, the United States had also repudiated France's claimed right to attack a town in neighboring Tunisia that succored Algerian guerrillas, and in 1964, at the United Nations, Ambassador Adlai Stevenson had condemned the United Kingdom for attacking a town in Yemen that allegedly provided a rear guard for rebels operating in its then colony of Aden.'
Clearly, do as I say, not do as I do.
'General Taylor described the practice of air strikes against hamlets suspected of "harboring" Vietnamese guerrillas as "flagrant violations of the Geneva Convention on Civilian Protection, which prohibits `collective penalties,' and `reprisals against protected persons,' and equally in violation of the Rules of Land Warfare." He was writing before this atrocious precedent had been extended to reprisal raids that treated two whole countries--Laos and Cambodia--as if they were disposable hamlets.'
http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/hitchens_on_kissinger.html
You'll note- Kissinger has not sued Mr Hitchens on the grounds that he has been misrepresented or misquoted by him.
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molly bloom
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Lundenwic
Oct 2001
time: 15:33
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Originally posted by Ned
Molly, strictly from memory, the Khmer were funded by China and supplied by the North Vietnam. They got very little in the way of supplies while Sihanouk was in power because he was officially neutral. When he was overthrown, the kids gloves came off and the North Vietnamese began to give the Khmer ample supplies in an effort to overthrow the government of Cambodia. |
Strictly from memory, Ned, just a few posts ago, you said this:
'The Khmer were supported by North Vietnam, not by the people of Cambodia. '
Unfortunately, Pol Pot organising the Khmer Rouge on his own as several of my cites indicated, and the fact that Cambodians joined because of the the U.S. bombing campaign (as noted by the C.I.A., that well-known Commie front) would seem to make your statement, oh, how shall I put it?
Eyewash.
Even if the North Vietnamese and the Chinese supplied and funded the Khmer Rouge, it doesn't mean they organized them, controlled them, or inspired them- several factions of the Khmer Rouge were vociferously anti-Viet Namese and hard line nationalists.
They had very little in the way of supplies from Sihanouk, because if you'd bothered to read my posts properly, you'll notice that Sihanouk cracked down on them when they tried to start a rebellion against him.
As for 'overthrowing' the government of Cambodia- you mean of course the Lon Nol government which overthrew the Sihanouk government courtesy of an American backed coup, don't you?
Strange what you consider to be a legitimate government.
It wasn't until Sihanouk had been deposed and was in exile that he joined up with the Khmer Rouge.
Ned, Cambodia was a neutral country. J
ust because one autocrat decides to look the other way under pressure from a superpower as it bombs his country and kills it's citizens does not mean it isn't neutral.
It was not at war with the United States; it was not an ally of the United States: ergo, it was neutral.
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Comrade Tassadar
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Kerry eats babies! He rapes women! He lines people against a wall and kills them all! Run away!!1!11
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