01-09-2004 17:55									#31
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Let's take the war to the terrorists! Let's invade Grozny!

	01-09-2004 17:55									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Hurricane I guess the Great Patriotic War wasn't that patriotic after all.

So, everyone who fought on Hitler's side and used the same methods as Hitler were good guys. They fought vs. Soviets after all and that justify everything, right?

quote: Well, then it's perfectly ok, isn't it.

No, it's is not perfect from modern point of view, but its was a common practice during WW2. It was world war Goddamnit.

	01-09-2004 17:57									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie Let's take the war to the terrorists! Let's invade Grozny!

???
Grozny is the capital of Chechen republic and it is not controlled by terrorists.
What the point to invade your own cities to defeat terrorism?

	01-09-2004 17:58									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Hurricane What the heck is that supposed to mean?

You'll never understand, you already made-up your mind.

	01-09-2004 18:02									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Serb ??? Grozny is the capital of Chechen republic and it is not controlled by terrorists. What the point to invade your own cities to defeat terrorism?

It's a referrence to the American mentality to believe that invasions prevent terrorism.

	01-09-2004 18:06									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber You know just ****ing say Stalin was a bastard and stop trying to play that stupid game about this country did this and this country did that ok. Just admit that he was a bastard.

Just out of curioucity, can you admit that FDR was a bastard?

quote: I'll admitt that the US has done very horrible things if you just stop that stupid **** and say he is a bastard because it is exactly that kind of **** that has gotten Russia into this mess in the first place.

I'll admit that USSR has done very horrible things if you just stop that stupid **** and say that FDR was a bastard because it is exactly that kind of **** that has gotten USA into this mess in the first place.

quote: And yes this is a very very horrible thing, but is Russia really that insecure that it needs Stalin as a hero?

Who said that Russian needs Stalin as hero?
During all years after his death Russia have him as villian (and still has) and it is you who need that more than anyone else.

quote: If your offended, I'm sorry and I'm sorry that I do this in a thread about such a tragedy but drop the whole Stalin wasnt as bad as x, y and z ****. It makes you look bad..

I'm not offended, I don't want discuss him in this thread and it wasn't I who start it.

	01-09-2004 18:09									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Timexwatch Except in WWII, almost everyone in the U.S. put into a camp made it out alive, Germans and Italians included. The same can't be said in Russia.

The same CAN be said about Russia and its German, Italian, Romanian, Hungarian, Chechan, Crimean Tartars and its other WW2 POWs.

	01-09-2004 18:10									#38
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FDR was a ****ing piece of **** and real bastard. Is that better for you? Can you now admit that somewhere a Russian did something wrong without going into the past 1000 years about how Russia has been mistreated. Does that ease your overly active sense of national pride.

	01-09-2004 18:10									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie It's a referrence to the American mentality to believe that invasions prevent terrorism.

I would offer that knowing the US might invade you, could be an incentive to tend to your flock. There is a reason why the KKK and other such groups only march down a street w/ banners in the US rather than fly planes into buildings. Americans do not accept such behaviors, from anyone.

	01-09-2004 18:25									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel what the heck is quote: I guess the Great Patriotic War wasn't that patriotic after all. supposed to mean? You think that the fact that people fought on the side of Hitler is something to make smartass comments about? Well good for them, fighting on the side of evil.

I don't know how you can make such a stupid conclusion of my comment. My only point was that a war, where hundreds of thousands Soviet citizens fight against Soviet, and brutal revenge is then taken upon these, I wouldn't call it particularly patriotic, for either side.

	01-09-2004 18:27									#41
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quote: Originally posted by dojoboy There is a reason why the KKK and other such groups only march down a street w/ banners in the US rather than fly planes into buildings.

But they park fertiliser trucks in front of goverment buildings

quote: Americans do not accept such behaviors, from anyone.

No country do, what's you point?

	01-09-2004 18:33									#42
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This hardly was the most important part of the war. The most important part of the war was fighting the Germans.

	01-09-2004 18:34									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie Let's take the war to the terrorists! Let's invade Grozny!

They already did that. Nearly lvling the place with fire bombs.

	01-09-2004 18:34									#44
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Could we keep this thread on topic please?

	01-09-2004 18:44									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Winston Could we keep this thread on topic please?

Can't do that, they have to talk about the great patriotic war and how Russia was so mistreated..

	01-09-2004 18:44									#46
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What can Putin do?

	01-09-2004 18:55									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer What can Putin do?

Surrender Chechnya? Either that or eradicate every Muslim in the region. Can't take any chances you know. The enemy doesn't appear to desire a compromise.

Disclaimer: I don't live in the region, and I doubt I'm hearing the whole story.

	01-09-2004 18:55									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer What can Putin do?

Be strong and promise (and fulfill his promise) that anyone who'll try that again will find punishment. No matter how, no matter where, matter when, but that evil will be punished.
In other words, how he says- "mochit' mudakov v sortire".
It's not possible to translate it. The most closest translation is - we will find the f*ckers anywhere, they'll regret about it, despite it will be the last thought in their f*cking heads.

	01-09-2004 18:58									#49
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What would Bush do?

	01-09-2004 18:58									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie But they park fertiliser trucks in front of goverment buildings

True. But, not a movement. Result = Dead by lethal injection.

quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie No country do, what's you point?

You know what my point is Ollie.

	01-09-2004 19:00									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber FDR was a ****ing piece of **** and real bastard. Is that better for you?

Of course not, since I believe that FDR was one of the greatest men of the 20th century.

quote: Can you now admit that somewhere a Russian did something wrong without going into the past 1000 years about how Russia has been mistreated.

Russian did something wrong somewhere during last 1000 years of Russia's existance.
Feel better now?

quote: Does that ease your overly active sense of national pride.

Of course not. I'm Siberian that equals to Russian Texan, remember?

	01-09-2004 19:01									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Chemical Ollie What would Bush do?

Nothing. Because it is in Russia.

	01-09-2004 19:03									#53
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What would Bush do?

Read "My Pet Goat" to the Chechins, of course.

And hello Serb...good to see you again...I think...

-=Vel=-

	01-09-2004 19:03									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Hurricane I don't know how you can make such a stupid conclusion of my comment. My only point was that a war, where hundreds of thousands Soviet citizens fight against Soviet, and brutal revenge is then taken upon these, I wouldn't call it particularly patriotic, for either side.

Those who fought among nazis against their Motherland are not patriots, they are f*cking traitors. The fact that few f*ckers joined invaders, doesn't change the fact that millions, majority of country's population fought against the invaders. That's why it's called The Patriotic War.

	01-09-2004 19:05									#55
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc They already did that. Nearly lvling the place with fire bombs.

You better watch out for your own boms in Iraq.
Aside you we didn't invade foreign country, thus violating an international law.

	01-09-2004 19:07									#56
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Nothing. Because it is in Russia.

Exactly.
We already have more than enough morons who could screw-up situation and do not need any more voluneeres so if he'll try something- he is a toast.

	01-09-2004 19:08									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Kropotkin Not even Putin would be able to pull that off.

If they masscre the scholl kids, he might be able to.

	01-09-2004 19:08									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Velociryx And hello Serb...good to see you again...I think... -=Vel=-

Hi. I'm glad to see you too.

	01-09-2004 19:09									#59
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NOW I remember why I love reading Serb's posts so much

-=Vel=-

	01-09-2004 19:13									#60
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A couple of hours ago my radio said that there is a fire in that school and some firefighters cars were aproaching the building. No additional info about the source or scale of fire. It's also said that terroists threated to blow-up whole building in case of siege and to kill 50 children for any dead terrorist and 20 children for any wounded terrorist.

F*ckers.