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Offer sent to DA

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Dear Gaians

This sounds applicable to the Data Jacks as well.

We await CE with open minds.

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Originally posted by mart7x5:

RE: ACDG3 Spartan relations


We have received a message from Spartans, that they offerd to both our factions a Treaty. In this case, we have discussed that and decided to accept the Treaty.
Our action was not succesful, but we do not want vendetta with Spartans at this point.
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Too bad their probe failed. I guess we should seek a Treaty with Sparta too.

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Recieved from ForesterSOF (was he from DA? )

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In order to keep the Spartans from getting Clean tech we propose a unit exchange of You sending us a clean unit and us giving you a unit and/or ecs in exchange.

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Okay, Data Angels offer to exchange a clean empath foil vs AAA drop defender.

What's the cheapest clean empath foil we could build and when it could be ready.

Getting both drop and AAA would be great benefit.

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UPDATE:


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ForesterSOF wrote on 29-08-2005 08:24:
Along with this the unit we send will be a Drop Garrison and we would like a Drop Clean Former in exchange..

I suggest we drop at 48-76 and you drop at 35-75
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ForesterSOF wrote on 25-08-2005 22:12:
We have not let this die.

We are currently working out the fine details of an exchange.

ForesterSOF
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binTravkin wrote on 24-08-2005 09:13:
In general we accept the idea, just don't see a way how to get the clean former into your territory.

Clean foil would probably be better in terms of mobility

Lord binTravkin

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Clean former for drop-AAA

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Yep, but I can't act on it yet.

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Okay, when they drop in, we'll drop ours back.

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quote: originally posted by Mart7x5

To Gaian Union,

We will prepare in 2186 a drop scout unit, which will then be dropped in 2187 to your base within range inside the Mysterious Ring of Monoliths. You would then upgrade it to drop clean scout in 2188 and drop it back to our GeoMatrix base in 2189. Using scout units for this purpose will be much cheaper endeavour and is possible sooner.

We can prepare and drop an AAA unit for you at the time of your convenience.

We would like to ask you not to give or trade the drop ability to other factions, especially Spartans or Morganities.

Research Cooperation Offer

We would like to inquire you, if you would be interested in mutual effort to acquire 2 technologies in the closest time:
- Fusion Power
- Orbital Spaceflight
As you know, we will soon have the technology of Pre-sentient Algorithms. This will enable us to research in the next time both mentioned techs: Fusion and Orbital. Would you be interested in researching one of these technologies? We would research the other and after completion we would exchange them.

Our analysis indicates, that after you discover Centauri Meditation in 2188 and you receive 2 technologies from us:
- Pre-sentient Algorithms
- one tech (Optical Computers or Cyberethics for example)
you will be able to select Orbital Spaceflight as your next research technology.
We would research Fusion Power as next.

Sincerely,
Data Angels
IT Mart

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Im all-four for this, it will get us to the final step in catching up with the Spartans.

And we better request AAA soon, we might need it if the Peace Conference fails.

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Hey, CT what's your opinion on this?
I need an answer soon, so I can forward it to DA.

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sent to DA:

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IT Mart

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As you know, we will soon have the technology of Pre-sentient Algorithms. This will enable us to research in the next time both mentioned techs: Fusion and Orbital. Would you be interested in researching one of these technologies? We would research the other and after completion we would exchange them.

Our analysis indicates, that after you discover Centauri Meditation in 2188 and you receive 2 technologies from us:
- Pre-sentient Algorithms
- one tech (Optical Computers or Cyberethics for example)
you will be able to select Orbital Spaceflight as your next research technology.
We would research Fusion Power as next.


The Gaian Union agrees on the deal described in your Cooperation Proposal:

1.Recieving the technologies of:
Cyberethics
Presentient Algorythms
from Data Angels in MY 2188 (is this possible?)

2.Researching Orbital SpaceFlight

3.Exchanging the Orbital SpaceFlight with Data Angels' newly researched Fusion Power technology.


Although the technology of Orbital SpaceFlight alone is extremely valuable, Gaian Union will feel somewhat indebted to Data Angels, which we hope to pay back in future by having further beneficial-to-both-sides deals and good relations.
We are in no position right now to divert energy as a payment for any value difference the deal might have because of need to rapidly expand our infrastructure and catch up with other factions, including Data Angels themselves.

In hope of longtime cooperation,
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(I've been lurking but inactive; sorry. )

The above deal with DA is quite a boon to all Gaia. Hail to binTravkin, a most excellent dipomat.

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We should test if we can choose Cyber or at least Optical as the next tech.
I can do it by opening the next turn and checking if I do not have to actually play it later.

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Lord BinTravkin,

As you are able to confirm from our databanks, we will complete research on Presentient Algorythms in 2189, which is one turn after you will have researched Centauri Meditation in 2188. For this reason, we will have a gap of 2 turns, since we are after you in turn order. There is although a solution to this problem:

If Gaian Union in 2188 chooses Cyberethics as the next research technology, after receiving from us:
- Cyberethics
- Presentient Algorythms
forwarded from us in 2189 and received by you in 2190, Gaian Union will be able to switch the research effort without loss of lab points in 2190 to Orbital Spaceflight.

Please confirm our analysis, so there is no error in our plan.

Sincerely,
Data Angels
IT Mart

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IT Mart

The Gaian Union agrees on the deal described in your Cooperation Proposal:

1.Recieving the technologies of:
Cyberethics
Presentient Algorythms
from Data Angels in MY 2188 (is this possible?)

2.Researching Orbital SpaceFlight

3.Exchanging the Orbital SpaceFlight with Data Angels' newly researched Fusion Power technology.


Although the technology of Orbital SpaceFlight alone is extremely valuable, Gaian Union will feel somewhat indebted to Data Angels, which we hope to pay back in future by having further beneficial-to-both-sides deals and good relations.
We are in no position right now to divert energy as a payment for any value difference the deal might have because of need to rapidly expand our infrastructure and catch up with other factions, including Data Angels themselves.

In hope of longtime cooperation,
Lord binTravkin

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Here are some recent finds pertaining to our operation of exchanging the abilities of drop and clean units. It is very important, that we both understand implications.

It appears, that when a drop-militia unit or any other drop scout unit is transferred to a faction for backengineering, it turns out to be just a scout.

I have checked the stuff in scenario editor and the fact is, that it seems to be the regular game feature. I tried two scouts with drop ability, different designs and they turned out to be simple scouts after turning over the control. Then I tried 1^-2-1 unit and it retained its drop ability. Then we have no choice here, but continue with transferring to you, Gaians our drop-AAA unit.

I have more bad news. I further tried to simulate our operation using actual drop-AAA. I was succesful to drop it and transfer control, but when the same unit was transferred back after upgrade to clean,drop it turned out to be again drop-AAA NOT clean!!! I tried with a new unit, and it worked the same, again it became after the transfer an AAA one NOT clean!

I attempted to backengineer the drop-AAA into drop,clean former, worked ok. After transfer the unit retained its capability as clean drop former. So we have no choice, but:
1) We drop to you our "drop-AAA unit"
2) You backengineer it to drop,clean former
2) You make drop,clean former and drop it back to us.

I checked also:
- making drop,clean former takes 5 rows!
upgrading either:
- former
- clean former
to drop,clean former costs 50 EC.

Any proposals on your side how we could proceed with these new findings?

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Asked them how much would 1^-2-1, clean cost

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50 ECs is still a small cost to transfer the most desireable property of a tech while dodging the effects of the PDL.

A 1^-2-1 clean would cost the same as that former, 5 mineral rows. Any non-scout unit will cost at least that much when made drop-clean.

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I will check this possibility shortly for conformation. My initial tests showed, that the upgrade price is still the same as in the case of formers.

There is also other possibility.
Could you recheck, that in 2187 Spartans still do not have clean ability? If they do, we might just exchange Bio-engineering. If they do not, we may proceed with exchange of a unit with clean ability.

Thank you,
IT Mart


Will try to check ina couple of hours about the tech (and answer right away).

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The Angels took a beating from the Spartans - they lost half their cities!

Cities lost:
Enigma Machine (13 pop, VW and Cyborg Factory) - confirmed obliterated
Kahlua Probing (7 pop)
Heaven's Gate (5 pop)
Hercules Station (7 pop)
Geomatrix (4 pop)
Mart Pact (2 pop)
Timberland (1 pop)

The Spartans only went from 145 votes to 148 votes, so they probably obliterated all of the bases they took.

Surviving cities:
Snowflake's Haven (9 pop) looks untouched, but also appears to be near some obliterated cities.
Kodycryptor (12 pop) seems to be in the same position as Snowflake's Haven.
Rock-Paper-Scissors (10 pop) seems fine.
Googlieplex (5 pop) is exposed.
Gemka's Loft (6 pop) looks like it lost some crawlers.
Fungal Heights (2 pop) is probably untouched.
Delirium Camp (2 pop) is probably untouched.

Strangely, it seems that despite obliterating cities, the Spartans have not suffered sanctions. Was this in the rules?

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Ah, the DAs did all this to themselves. That's surprising...

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Bah, were they so desperate?!?

This game is doomed.

 
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