08-03-2005 13:24									#211
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quote: Originally posted by mart7x5 A warning and some questions Members of the Gaian Council, First, let me open this message by warning you that we have discovered a Spartan transport on the eastern shore of the Hive territory within radius of the base there. We could spot a probe team in it. We believe that this ship is heading to your territory. This warning in case your intelligence missed it. Secondly, regarding the Gaian proposal for a Pact with the Data Angels. Our DataJacks are mostly in favour of such a bound between our factions, but before we can commit ourselfes we need to now some more. Due to the fact that we try to maintain our neutrality in the present conflict(s) on Planet, we would like to hear your view regarding the war between the Corporate and the Junta. Do you plan to affiliate yourself with either faction? Would the Council expect from us to choose sides if we pact with you? There are probably more questions to come, but this is a start. Regards, IT GeoModder

How should we respond to them regarding the Morganite/Spartan war? I favor ensuring balance between the two sides, but there is a significant possibility the Spartans will become overtly hostile to us in the next decade.

	08-03-2005 18:53									#212
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I would like to express alignment to Morgan.

I reported to have spotted that unit, saldly noone took advice from that..

I think we have no choice. Sparta is just too strong.

	08-03-2005 21:04									#213
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quote: Originally posted by binTravkin I would like to express alignment to Morgan. I think we have no choice. Sparta is just too strong.

Conventional wisdom dictates the longer a momentum faction waits, the weaker it gets. But I am sure the Spartans are too smart to let that happen. They will have Doc:AP soon (if they don't already) and we'll all be up the creek once they do. It will be just a matter of them getting bases close enough to launch air raids.

We can either get stomped now or later. If the DA, Morganites, and Gaians join together now, we may have the combined weight to stop them.

The only thing I question is wether or not we need to declare our pact. I say we keep quiet about it to the Spartans til the time is ripe.

	08-03-2005 23:10									#214
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Assuming the Spartans were intelligent enough to infiltrate the Morganites, they'll know about their pact with us as soon as they play their turn. We can still try to play down what the pact entails if the Spartans protest, but they aren't much for normal diplomacy.

	15-03-2005 23:41									#215
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quote: Originally posted by GeoModder RE: Your faction is pacted with the Morgans at present, so you have more information to base your assumption on. We received from the Spartans some energy -and mineral income numbers of the Morgans, which where between 150-200 in both cases. To me this sounds like they (the Morgans) have still the ability to recover from the loss of their capital. __________________ He who knows others is wise. He who knows himself is enlightened. -- Lao Tsu

Thus, the Spartans have in fact infiltrated the Morganites.

	18-03-2005 18:17									#216
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quote: To Gaian Union, The update of our research situation is in order. Recently we have acquired some new technologies, and as the analysis of our databanks indicates we may offer you the following technologies for trade: Superconductor Environmental Economics Optical Computers Progenitor Psych Field Modulation Adaptive Economics PK commlink Would you have anything to trade in exchange? Sincerely, IT Mart

	19-03-2005 02:36									#217
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That's pretty impressive list!

	19-03-2005 02:56									#218
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I guess their techshare ability is kicking in

	19-03-2005 07:34									#219
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In addition to that...

quote: To Gaian Union, We would like to ask you about possibility of entering the Pact agreement with your faction. Some time ago we received a letter from you indicating that you seriously consider such possibility. We feel, that Pact between Gaian Union and Data Angels will be soon possible. Would you be willing to enter such agreement? IT Mart

They wanna pact...I feel that we should, personally...

	19-03-2005 11:24									#220
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Let's get cash and SFF from Morgan (so we're only 1 tech in debt to Morgan) and Env Eco from DA. Then hook in our AA. All for Pact here! Builders unite against the momentum player - lets out build Sparta for good!

	21-03-2005 16:44									#221
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Im for the PACT, just when, this turn or next?

	22-03-2005 02:17									#222
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Don't care, but I'm formulating a response to DA right now.

	22-03-2005 05:36									#223
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Yes, let's Pact, the sooner the better

	31-03-2005 16:40									#224
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quote: To the Gaian Council, We were gratified that Gaian losses didn't seem so high as feared as first news of the slaughter on your border blockade came in, and certainly not in such excess as the Morgans had to endure. We've noticed that your current research, EnvEcon, is already in our possession, and you will finish it in say 5 years at present. However, if both we and your other ally the Corporation could provide you with EnvEcon and Synthetic Fossil Fuels there might be the possibility that you could switch to Doctrine: Air Power. This might be of great benefit to the Gaian defense. You can of course try to obtain both those technologies from the Corporation, but this way you could decrease the possible price the Corporation might ask for these technologies. In return, we would expect a technology of course. Which if all goes well would be Doctrine: Air Power as well. Regards, IT GeoModder

	31-03-2005 16:41									#225
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Ouro could you conduct the diplo regarding this?

I think we can agree on deal like:

Morgan -> Gaia: SFF
Morgan <- Gaia: D:AP

DA -> Gaia: Env Econ
DA <- Gaia: D:AP

	01-04-2005 02:08									#226
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Actually, I think we need to be less rigid about parity of trades at this point. The Morganites have nothing to lose at this point, and so I would expect them to contribute anything that wouldn't cost them (that is, technology and intelligence) as needed. The Angels know that they can't afford to be alone against the Spartans, and so need to ensure our survival. We must be willing to reciprocate to the Morganites as long as whatever we give them doesn't simply become Spartan property, and to the Angels as seems appropriate.

	01-04-2005 02:41									#227
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I can work that out in diplospeak easily enough.., I'll have them typed up, and ready by tomorrow my time to send out. So, that is eighteen hours or so at most to finish any changes. So, what exactly are you saying Chaos? You say the Morgans have nothing to lose, which makes it sound as if all we should pay them in is support, but then you say recipocate to them...

	01-04-2005 02:43									#228
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I think you hit the nail on the head CT. Now that we have exposed ourselves through allegiances, we have to stand together in the beginning. We can worry about treachery among the alliance once we have the Spartans down to a few cities.

	01-04-2005 12:13									#229
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quote: So, what exactly are you saying Chaos?

He said, we can request that tech from Morgan for free.

But they will anyways request D:AP afterwards I think.

	02-04-2005 00:45									#230
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The Morganites have nothing to lose, but may become spiteful if we are too stingy with them. As long as whatever we give them wouldn't strengthen the Spartans significantly (and doesn't cost us much), we might as well give them what they need.

	02-04-2005 01:57									#231
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Yeah, that's what I thought. PM will be sent in.... half an hour, or however it takes me to eat lunch..

	02-04-2005 02:55									#232
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DAs sent. Trying to contact Morgan, but just found out that the Spartans have D:AP. We're in trouble...

	27-04-2005 10:14									#233
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quote: Dear Lord BinTravkin, Please forward this message to other Gaian Union High Council Members. We have included this turn pre-accepted Environmental Economics. We wish to offer this technology to you, so you could switch to yet another very important technology, Doctrine Air Pawer, and descover it in 2170. You might have alredy receive such a message, but as far as I know, noone from our faction has sent such message to you. What is your answer? Sincerely, IT Mart

	05-05-2005 13:08									#234
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quote: Originally posted by mart7x5 ACDG3 To Gaian Union, We are glad you have succesfully received Environmental Economics technology and that you were able to acquire Doctrine Air Power at the same time. We would like to inform you, that we were able to acquire Doctrine Air Power also in 2169. In this case, would it be possible for you transfer Neural Grafting technology to Data Angels as the exchange technology for Environmental Economics? Best regards, IT Mart

I see no reason to oppose their request.

	05-05-2005 13:25									#235
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agreed

	05-05-2005 18:06									#236
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Dont see why we wouldn't want to.

	14-05-2005 18:06									#237
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OK then, I'll send NG pre-accepted to the Angels this turn, 2171

EDIT: When I opened 2171, I found that the Angels already have Neural Grafting as well as all of our other techs!

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	16-05-2005 13:16									#238
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quote: When I opened 2171, I found that the Angels already have Neural Grafting as well as all of our other techs!

They've infiltrated practically everyone..

	16-05-2005 18:16									#239
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We've been infiltrated? As in "in-game", probe team strolled up to our door infiltrated? How come no one mentioned this? Is this not seen as a act of aggression in multi-player?

	16-05-2005 19:22									#240
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quote: We've been infiltrated? As in "in-game", probe team strolled up to our door infiltrated? How come no one mentioned this? Is this not seen as a act of aggression in multi-player?

We have PACT with them, buddy, this means we were the 3rd faction to have NG, so they got it automatically, without us transferring it to them.

They've definitely infiltrated Uni, Yang and Lal and have PACT infiltration to Gaia.

They've most probably infiltrated Morgan during these Morgan-Spartan wars..

I doubt they've infiltrated Sparta.