26-01-2005 13:47									#181
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Yes, I think it wont do any bad to us if we give em Ecol Eng as well..
They're being weak and our friends anyway.
Besides I think anyone else has Eco Eng, so sooner or later DA are going to trade it in for something.

We can give them Ecol Eng as a loan and when they have something equally valuable, take it back.

How do you think?

	31-01-2005 17:05									#182
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quote: Gaians are prepared to give you Ecological Engineering in return for another technology now or later - details will probably be worked out later and you will be contacted regarding the technology in return. You will receive both technologies in a package, thus being able to redirect to Cyberethics, in a turn or two. However, you do understand that this means you will be indebted to Gaians for two technologies (for II and EE)? As I am finally withdrawing from this ACDG, you should direct future diplomatic transmissions through either Chaos Theory or BT or as best solution, to both of them.

Sent to Mart. I hope it won't take someone from you much time to take over diplomacy.

	01-02-2005 19:25									#183
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Ill do it.

	25-02-2005 07:50									#184
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quote: mart7x5 wrote on 25-02-2005 00:06: Lord Chaos Theory, Please inform the High Council about the following: To Gaian union: We would like to inform you that we are presently in possesion of High Energy Chemistry technology and we can transfer this technology to you. Whether it would be as the payment for Ecological Engineering, we can decide upon that. In case you would like to trade a technology with Morgan Industries, please consider choosign their impact technology in that case. Would plasma technology be of crucial importance to you at this stage of war with Human Hive? Sincerely, IT Mart

	25-02-2005 14:06									#185
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Lets Trade, we can get SFF this way!

	25-02-2005 22:03									#186
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It would be amusing if an agressive neighbor were to surprise attack us figuring we were a military push-over, only to be beaten back by our secret missile needle jet program

	28-02-2005 14:05									#187
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quote: It would be amusing if an agressive neighbor were to surprise attack us figuring we were a military push-over, only to be beaten back by our secret missile needle jet program

Yeah!

But won't work with Sparta at least, if they have SFF, they will only be amazed how can we have it already!

	28-02-2005 14:17									#188
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quote: Greetings IT Mart! (as eventis seems down again, I send this through pm) The Spartan destruction of Morgan capital has led Gaian Union to a final decision for making alignments with other factions. It seems that things should change and things should change now. This message is not an official proposal, rather an informing and questioning one and perhaps a prelude to further negotiations between Gaian Union and Data Angels. Gaian High council has put forth a project to engage in a PACT with Data Angel faction to try to catch up with rapid growth of both Spartan and Morganic factions. The grounds of such decision are: 1.Gaian Union and Data Angels have been friendly to each other from the very first contact 2.Gaian Union and Data Angels share almost the same ideals, main of them being freedom and peace. 3.Gaian Union and Data Angels are both the weakest (human) factions on Chiron and really need some help from outside to grow faster. PACT would produce such help for both our factions in the terms of commerce and increased co-operation in all or almost all issues. The exact terms and conditions can be discussed later. With this message Gaian Union wanted to ask Data Angels if your faction is interested in this kind of relation. best regards, Lord binTravkin

The PACT proposal I sent to DA last week.
Sorry for undiplomatical style..

	28-02-2005 14:18									#189
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Last incoming message:

quote: Lord BinTravkin, You will find during your next turn the High Energy Chemistry technology preaccepted in transfer from Data Angels. This is as you indicated in payment for Ecological Engineering. We also consider a message regarding Pact between our factions, which you have sent to us. We will soon respond to this message. IT Mart

	28-02-2005 21:06									#190
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Doublepost.

	28-02-2005 21:08									#191
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What problems do you speak of? Eventis has no troubles since it was rebooted couple of weeks ago. I popped here to see why the diplomatic forum is empty. The eventis doesn't work because you aren't registered, thus you can't see the forum as you are not authorised (as you are not registered). I've been tasked with authorisation of members to forum there, and currently GeoModder, Mart, Chaos, Drogue and Ouro are authorised. Register there and you will see the forum. Eventis itself had no problems at all, I can assure you.
Also, sorry for nitpicking, but since I am already looking at this thread have other Gaians authorised you to send pact proposal to Angels or to ask for HGE (I don't see someone did in this thread) ? Off to clean the forum now.

	01-03-2005 05:18									#192
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I'm all in favor of a Pact to cement us closer... I don't think the Angels pose any long-term threat, but they could be profitable friends. As for HGE.... Not sure on that yet

	01-03-2005 05:24									#193
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BTW, the Angels has the equivalent of the Planetary Datalinks, right? We really need to keep that in mind.

	01-03-2005 06:28									#194
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Here's an idea. (Dont laugh at me too much given my inexperience with MP). Why dont we DataAngels and Gaians turn research to 0% (or near 0 - whatever works best given our efficiency) and direct all our energy towards rush building Base-Improvements/Crawlers/Formers/CPs for at least a little while (say 10 turns). The idea is we're not striving to be the bleeding edge on research, just not to be last in research, but we could strive to have fantasic infrastructure ready for action. Our boreholes will allow us to crank up the research later. We'll get our infrastructure sooner if we slow our research now. I know this may not be a popular idea (in MP games the race is to build the biggest stick) - but just throwing it out there. We wont get too far behind in research if the DataAngels give us everything they get - they could even probe Hive/Spartans/Morgan. What they get in return will be a stronger faction ally who can give them tech at a better rate in the future. (How many of you are going to reply "ridiculous"?) One of the DataAngel's strengths is that they acquire tech from others more readily without having to forge their own. One of our strengths is that we're the only folks with WP. I think its time we both leverage our strengths.

	01-03-2005 08:39									#195
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The Angels suggested trading us HEC. Others seemed to assent, so the trade is in progress, pending our turn.

Setting research to 0% would allow us to put just 60% of our total income into energy (compared to 50% with 50/50 allocation). If we dropped Planned, we would get 80% of our total income as energy, but by losing Growth and Industry, we'd have fewer minerals and energy, and rush buys would be more expensive. We'll be better able to judge our energy situation after starting our land bridge project.

I don't expect the DAs to be terribly successful probing Morgan and Santiago (the former because they seem to be depending on armored probes for defense and the latter because of their navy and distance).

The Data Angels seem to get a crippled version of the PDL that requires infiltration.

	01-03-2005 12:30									#196
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Do I need to register to Eventis again?

Last time I tried to connect it returned 404 to me.

I was authorised to send the proposal by CT.

	01-03-2005 12:36									#197
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I like the trade too. I like planned for a while. Why don't we run Democracy? That's +2Growth+2Efficiency at a cost of 1min/base for support. Then we get 80% income from energy (51 EC). Is there any way to estimate the cost of the land bridge project which we can start in 2 more turns? Is the Hive still really perceived as a major threat to us - will it take advantage of a land bridge with great purpose - in comparison to the human players for instance - to warrant the land-bridge-project cost versus accelerating our development?

	01-03-2005 12:46									#198
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The landbridge project might not mean a Hive threat soon.
A Sparta threat would be much more believable.

Although their tactic of taking the SP and then obliterating is awesome -> see rumors that there's a cruiser filled with 4 Impact rovers somewhere in the DA-Gaian seas..

	01-03-2005 19:57									#199
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Does anyone know? Did Sparta's smaller bases all become size 3 once they grabbed the PTA or is it necessary to hold the SP for a year before you see the effects?

	01-03-2005 23:41									#200
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Capturing the PTS doesn't affect existing bases, to my knowledge.

	01-03-2005 23:47									#201
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quote: Capturing the PTS doesn't affect existing bases, to my knowledge.

Strange, to my knowledge it does..

	03-03-2005 00:04									#202
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Exsisting bases, it's supposed to take away one drone in every base under size 3. Nothing to over. Once they reach three, deal's off. That's what I recall the manual saying, at least...

	03-03-2005 13:21									#203
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quote: Once they reach three, deal's off

Correction:

Once they reach four, deal's off

You can ICS with having PTS and no matter how many bases you build you will have one worker (from PTS) and 2 drones to quell if no other drone quelling means are present. Once pop rises to 4, you'll have 4 drones to quell.
Double checked in practice, can even show a pair or screenshots.

	03-03-2005 13:27									#204
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Good point.... advantages to actually having the game there, or just being smart

	03-03-2005 20:50									#205
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quote: Originally posted by binTravkin Do I need to register to Eventis again? Last time I tried to connect it returned 404 to me.

Strange - I'll contact you and try with you one day to see why is it unavailable.

	03-03-2005 21:00									#206
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quote: Strange - I'll contact you and try with you one day to see why is it unavailable.

No, now it's available, just it seems that now I can't login with my old username/password..

	03-03-2005 21:59									#207
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quote: No, now it's available, just it seems that now I can't login with my old username/password..

This is because you haven't registered. The old usernames are gone as database was lost when massive PHP problems forced to change forum software. You just need to reregister. In other words that was Eventis II and now is Eventis III. Interesting enough, there is some kind of maintance running right now.

	03-03-2005 22:07									#208
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quote: The old usernames are gone as database was lost when massive PHP problems forced to change forum software

I just wonder what PHP problems my cause a loss of database. Im a programmer myself and the only problem I know which would make a DB go lost is technical problems on the server machine.

They just dont want to write script(s) which would retrieve the data from old base and insert them into the new one..

	07-03-2005 22:35									#209
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quote: Originally posted by binTravkin I just wonder what PHP problems my cause a loss of database. Im a programmer myself and the only problem I know which would make a DB go lost is technical problems on the server machine. They just dont want to write script(s) which would retrieve the data from old base and insert them into the new one..

Without the proper precautions on the database, it would be very easy to write a bad loop that overwrites a whole field in the database (such as username, or password fields )

	07-03-2005 23:33									#210
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quote: Without the proper precautions on the database, it would be very easy to write a bad loop that overwrites a whole field in the database (such as username, or password fields )

Well, Im quite expierenced in working with DB and I think if I was given that task it wouldn't be hard to do for me.
If the dump file from old DB comes in unscratched it'd be nothing more than a piece of cake.
And working with DBs there can be no mistakes as you will either learn about them from the SQL query window or from the vBulletin phplog. And then you can just drop the DB and reload (and repeat till everything's ok).