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sabrewolf
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turicum, helvetistan
Jun 2002
time: 06:24
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Originally posted by Aqualung71
You definitely got the best continent Sabre. My Inca would have given you a run for your money if we can been able to co-exist peacefully. But your incessant wonder-building made that impossible. |
well, except the celtic lands, your continent isn't bad. especially the ottomans have good bonuses, good grassland and a well defendable peninsula.
i counted 4 sources of coal on your continent, 5 sources of iron (!!!), 4 horses, 3 saltpeter (1 in celtic lands), but only 1 rubber (but by the time rubber appears, the game is virtually decided).
the problem is also that you guys didn't really fight for more lands. with china having both horses and iron, i would have built plenty of riders and overrun the celts.
speaking of iron: aqua, why am i giving you iron when you've got a source of your own in shantung???
edit: but all in all, i to agree that i have the better continent. especially after having been lucky that aqua didn't attack me when he would have wrecked me (with all those knights and ancient cavalries).
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Aqualung71
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Lord Desolator of the Desolation Row, C3CDG
Oct 2002
time: 12:24
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Originally posted by sabrewolf
the problem is also that you guys didn't really fight for more lands. with china having both horses and iron, i would have built plenty of riders and overrun the celts. |
That Iron source has only just appeared, so someone else must have lost one. Since I haven't had
Iron for most of the game in China, building Riders was not an option for me. While the Inca were still in the game, certainly China fighting the Celts would have been an option, but you will recall that I almost dropped out of the game entirely at that point, and since then the only option I have had is to co-operate with 1889 and GC in research, though it seems that was doomed from the start anyway.
Bottom line is, with only one civ it didn't matter how big I could grow China....I was still doomed. Even with China's miniscule size, I am still 3rd after Sumeria/Netherlands in all the important demographics.
As you said, if Inca had attacked Sumeria before you rather strangely spied on my only city that was full of military (  ) then the game may have turned out very differently!
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sabrewolf
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turicum, helvetistan
Jun 2002
time: 06:24
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Originally posted by Aqualung71
That Iron source has only just appeared, so someone else must have lost one. Since I haven't had
Iron for most of the game in China, building Riders was not an option for me. While the Inca were still in the game, certainly China fighting the Celts would have been an option, but you will recall that I almost dropped out of the game entirely at that point, and since then the only option I have had is to co-operate with 1889 and GC in research, though it seems that was doomed from the start anyway.
Bottom line is, with only one civ it didn't matter how big I could grow China....I was still doomed. Even with China's miniscule size, I am still 3rd after Sumeria/Netherlands in all the important demographics.
As you said, if Inca had attacked Sumeria before you rather strangely spied on my only city that was full of military ( ) then the game may have turned out very differently! |
oh, i didn't know that resources can still jump. havn't seen them in C3C... ever... in the original civ3, it happened all the time 
about the fighting on the island: i know the only chance you had was that you all team up. but in the end, i think the ranking is also important. only somebody can win (in this case most probably sumeria by spacerace), but 2nd, 3rd are also winners 
and the spying: investigating cities only costs a few dozen gold. and the turn your military jumped from "average" to "strong in comparison with us", i was worried. i had several pikemen and even some muskets, and still you had a strong army.
then, analysing the map i saw that your vilcabamca was threating 2 cities within a single turn (1st: leo's city using the spice-road and 2nd: the coastal city by your roaded iron hills). at least that's where i would have attacked. the peek into the city was worth it.
it's not much to about. city investigation is a very powerful and cheap task. you can see the tech rate (beakers vs. city-gpt), the defences and infrastructure, the wonder build progression, luxury trades, civ's total gold, etc.
oh damn... 05:05... i'm off to bed... good night lads!
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Aqualung71
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Lord Desolator of the Desolation Row, C3CDG
Oct 2002
time: 12:24
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Originally posted by 1889
Our defeat is no doubt due in large part to the incompetence of our “ally” China. The fates must have had a good laugh watching us try to drag this nation into the modern age. In the end they were just a dead weight that sapped our strength. |
Ah yes, the treachery of the Celts is becoming evident. Let me point out a few easily verifiable facts:
Firstly, the Chinese are 3rd in the most critical demographics of GNP, Manufactured Goods and Productivity, behind only the colossal Sumerians and Dutch. The obvious practical implication of this is that China is able to out-research any other civilisation on its continent. In fact, it has been doing so since the beginning of the game and has been “dragging” the Celts along behind it….and probably the Iroquois and Ottomans too. As a major industrialised nation, China is in the throes of completing Factories and Coal Plants and has nearly finished RR’ing it’s empire.
China has achieved this significant world position despite its small size, with virtually no resources for most of the game. Having lost its sister nation early on to the ambitious and single-minded evil-doer known as Sabrewolf, China has nevertheless struggled along as an independent and individual nation in this world of dual-alliances. China has more than held her own.
China is also the only civilisation on the continent to have built its own wonders. Beijing is the only city on the continent to appear in the top 5. By contrast, the other civilisations (particularly the Celts) are cultural Phillistines.
A dead weight sapping your strength? That notion is so ridiculous it is laughable, you foolish arrogant tyrant. What's more, the rest of the world knows the truth, which only adds to your embarrassment.
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For so long we have thought of wiping the stench of fried food from this peninsula, we have dreamed of eradicating the gibberish they call language, we have dreamed of burning down the gaudy eye sores that they call architecture.
Finally we will be freed of this embarrassing pretence of friendship.
DIE! DIE! DIE! |
Without Saltpeter to build Cavalry and Musketmen, nor Rubber to build Infantry, China is clearly at the mercy of the ungrateful Celts. The world should remember though, that for hundreds of years China could easily have invaded and conquered the Celts with the benefit of her significantly better developed and managed economy. In comparison, the Celts were primitive. Instead, China chose to be a beacon of benevolence and display friendship to all nations in this dastardly and dangerous world. It seems this goodwill was misplaced and the sluggish Celts will take advantage of China’s goodwill.
So be it. With China’s lack of resources, she cannot hope to resist the Celts, who have clearly been biding their time until they knew that China, even with her vastly superior economy and productive power, could not gather sufficient resources to defend herself.
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