10-09-2004 01:52									#61
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Thankfully, the bloggospehre remains a minor and relative unimportant echo chmaber with little relevance to the populace as a whole. Much like Holocaust deniers, moon landing conspiracy people and Scientologists.

The best blogs respond to other blogs of different ideological persuasion, even when they have a strong point of view. And many are followed closely by the mainstream media - in fact they overlap the mainstream media - some MSM like Josh Marshall and Mickey Kaus and TNR and NRO have blogs, some bloggers get published in MSM, and some ex-MSM like Andy Sullivan have blogs and also occasionally get columns in MSM. Blogs arent really a seperate world from MSM, theyre just another medium.

	10-09-2004 01:53									#62
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The blog discussion is with Ogie and relates to the charge these new documents about Bush's national guard record were forgeries. I really don;t give a crap, since I don;t care if bush was a cocaine fiend and giving blowjobs to sailors for his booze money at the time, since my vote against him is based on the fact I think his policies have been a disaster and don;t like him personally.

	10-09-2004 02:06									#63
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quote: quote: quote: Originally posted by Stuie Are you sure Ned didn't mean Dori? I think she fits the "spaced out, drugged-addled hippie" profile better. quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet She fits a "ditzy dumb blonde" sterotype much better.

Come to think of it, she may very well represent America's youth with it's short attention span and it's...

* alva zaps to another thread...

	10-09-2004 02:08									#64
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Where's Ned?

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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet I think the "smack" link in the chain is redundant, but I get the point. Thanks.

Don't you people know anything.

quote: Originally posted by Prince #Sister killed her baby cuz she could afford 2 feed it And we're sending people 2 the moon In September my cousin tried reefer 4 the very first time Now he's doing horse, it's June#

	10-09-2004 02:14									#66
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Apparently not.

	10-09-2004 02:54									#67
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quote: Originally posted by alva Don't you people know anything. quote: Originally posted by Prince #Sister killed her baby cuz she could afford 2 feed it And we're sending people 2 the moon In September my cousin tried reefer 4 the very first time Now he's doing horse, it's June#

Whitey on the Moon
Gil Scott Heron
A rat done bit my sister Nell.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Her face and arms began to swell.
(and Whitey's on the moon)
I can't pay no doctor bill.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
Ten years from now I'll be payin' still.
(while Whitey's on the moon)
The man jus' upped my rent las' night.
('cause Whitey's on the moon)
No hot water, no toilets, no lights.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
I wonder why he's uppi' me?
('cause Whitey's on the moon?)
I wuz already payin' 'im fifty a week.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Taxes takin' my whole damn check,
Junkies makin' me a nervous wreck,
The price of food is goin' up,
An' as if all that **** wuzn't enough:
A rat done bit my sister Nell.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Her face an' arm began to swell.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
Was all that money I made las' year
(for Whitey on the moon?)
How come there ain't no money here?
(Hmm! Whitey's on the moon)
Y'know I jus' 'bout had my fill
(of Whitey on the moon)
I think I'll sen' these doctor bills,
Airmail special
(to Whitey on the moon)

	10-09-2004 02:55									#68
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Where's Ned?

Just reading thru this thread.

It does look like you guys identified the horse movie: Spirit, and agree that the white people and army are protray uniformly evil while the Indians are protrayed uniformly nobel and good.

You also found the jibe at America from Nemo, and identifed the space-out turtle as the drugged-out hippie.

But, you say, these films have nothing to do with Disney. Really?

	10-09-2004 02:57									#69
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I still don't get the jibe at America from Finding Nemo. Spaced out turtle is not, like, a durgged out hippie, dude. He's like, a surfer, dude. That's the way sufers talk, dude.

BTW, Ned, have you ever looked at how American Indians viewed the white invasion?

	10-09-2004 03:00									#70
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What offended me most about these films is that I did not expect to be assualted with leftist propaganda, racism and glorification of drugs at a kids movie. I expect it from MTV and the degenerate, left-loving, Hollywood; but not from anything with a Disney label on it.

	10-09-2004 03:02									#71
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Glorification of drugs? Leftist propaganda? Racism? Did you watch the same movie I watched?

Note: never saw Spirit that it looked dumb.

	10-09-2004 03:03									#72
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Whether or not it's Disney, and Disney does do those things, I can agree that cartoons have become way too keyed towards adults, even if they are marketed towards kids.

Even "The Cat and The Hat" was not something I would allow my kid to see until he/she would be at least 12, and even then....

	10-09-2004 03:07									#73
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Glorification of drugs? Leftist propaganda? Racism? Did you watch the same movie I watched? Note: never saw Spirit that it looked dumb.

Of course he did not see the same movie you saw: he saw it at the Nedaverse multiplex.

	10-09-2004 03:07									#74
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I still don't get the jibe at America from Finding Nemo. Spaced out turtle is not, like, a durgged out hippie, dude. He's like, a surfer, dude. That's the way sufers talk, dude. BTW, Ned, have you ever looked at how American Indians viewed the white invasion?

Perhaps, Che, I have lived longer in California than you have. That turtle was the epitome of the pot-smoking, droopie-eyed, Californian who may or may not like to surf.

As to what the Indians think of a so-called white invasion, I don't have to guess too hard. There were relatively few periods of peaceful coexistence for 300+ years until we convinced the Indians to live on reservations, subsidized by the government. There was ample hate on both sides of that particular equation.

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quote: Originally posted by GePap The blog discussion is with Ogie and relates to the charge these new documents about Bush's national guard record were forgeries. I really don;t give a crap, since I don;t care if bush was a cocaine fiend and giving blowjobs to sailors for his booze money at the time, since my vote against him is based on the fact I think his policies have been a disaster and don;t like him personally.

I likewise couldn't give a crap about Bush perse except that my beef is with IMO obvious media bias.

	10-09-2004 03:10									#76
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Che, to you, an extreme lefty, having a fish crack an anti-American joke was probably offensive only because it was insufficiently harsh.

	10-09-2004 03:11									#77
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As to the glorification of drugs, all one has to do is glorify the spaced-out turtle. You don't actually have to show the turtle taking a drag.

	10-09-2004 03:15									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe I likewise couldn't give a crap about Bush perse except that my beef is with IMO obvious media bias.

I think "the media" prefers claims backed by pieces of paper they can get their hands opn. If most anti-Kerry claims were based solely on accusdations, well, there you have it.

So stop being a media Girlie-man and get with the program, Girlie-man

	10-09-2004 03:16									#79
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quote: Just reading thru this thread. It does look like you guys identified the horse movie: Spirit, and agree that the white people and army are protray uniformly evil while the Indians are protrayed uniformly nobel and good.

i don't see where anybody really agreed with the second half of that sentence. mostly because i don't see anyone who's mentioned that they've seen it.

quote: You also found the jibe at America from Nemo, and identifed the space-out turtle as the drugged-out hippie.

yes, and? we still don't see how it's anti-american.

quote: But, you say, these films have nothing to do with Disney. Really?

seeing as only finding nemo has a connection to disney, and that's of disney being the distributor, not the creative engine... and the other movie being dreamworks interactive, which is not disney...

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quote: What offended me most about these films is that I did not expect to be assualted with leftist propaganda, racism and glorification of drugs at a kids movie. I expect it from MTV and the degenerate, left-loving, Hollywood; but not from anything with a Disney label on it.

what leftist propaganda? where was the glorification of drugs? where was the anti-americanism?

i don't know about spirit, but where was racism in finding nemo?

you make these allegations, ned. pony up, what should we be looking for?

	10-09-2004 03:19									#80
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quote: As to what the Indians think of a so-called white invasion, I don't have to guess too hard. There were relatively few periods of peaceful coexistence for 300+ years until we convinced the Indians to live on reservations, subsidized by the government. There was ample hate on both sides of that particular equation.

if by convinced, you mean by the point of a gun...

	10-09-2004 03:19									#81
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quote: Che, to you, an extreme lefty, having a fish crack an anti-American joke was probably offensive only because it was insufficiently harsh.

it was a one-liner, and a throwaway joke at that. i fail to see how that makes a whole movie somehow anti-american, particularly because the rest of the movie is set in and around australia...

	10-09-2004 03:20									#82
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quote: As to the glorification of drugs, all one has to do is glorify the spaced-out turtle. You don't actually have to show the turtle taking a drag.

wow, i think you're reading way too much into this.

are you sure you don't know any spaced-out people? who are spaced-out, even if they aren't on drugs?

	10-09-2004 03:52									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed quote: As to the glorification of drugs, all one has to do is glorify the spaced-out turtle. You don't actually have to show the turtle taking a drag. wow, i think you're reading way too much into this. are you sure you don't know any spaced-out people? who are spaced-out, even if they aren't on drugs?

Q Cubed, I guess you just have to live in LA (the greater metro area) to fully understand the what the space-out turtle represented.

The anti-white racism came out of Spirit, not Nemo.

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quote: Q Cubed, I guess you just have to live in LA (the greater metro area) to fully understand the what the space-out turtle represented.

no, it's just that i know plenty of who _are_ that spacy, who _do_ talk like that, and do so when they're not high _and_ sober...

	10-09-2004 03:56									#85
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quote: The anti-white racism came out of Spirit, not Nemo.

which was not a disney movie, but a dreamworks skg movie--which, mind you, is part of that hollywood thing you seem to hate.

so how is disney anti-american?

	10-09-2004 03:58									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed quote: Q Cubed, I guess you just have to live in LA (the greater metro area) to fully understand the what the space-out turtle represented. no, it's just that i know plenty of who _are_ that spacy, who _do_ talk like that, and do so when they're not high _and_ sober...

Of course. And you get that way from smoking pot.

(Thinking of Cheech and Chong.)

	10-09-2004 03:59									#87
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Uhm English surfers (and Australians at a guess) probably talk exactly the same. i knew one in college, every second word was dude.

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My apologies to Disney if they had nothing to do with Spirit.

DreamWorks L.L.C has moguls times three. Created in 1994 by Steven Spielberg (famed film director/producer), Jeffrey Katzenberg (former Disney film executive and animation guru), and David Geffen (recording industry maven), DreamWorks produces animated features (Shrek), live action movies (Catch Me if You Can), and TV shows (Las Vegas). DreamWorks Animation is the studio's Silicon Valley-based computer-animation arm. DreamWorks pulled out of the GameWorks video arcade business it started with SEGA and Universal Pictures, and has sold its music business to Universal Music. The three founders collectively own the majority of DreamWorks; Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen also owns a stake.

http://www.hoovers.com/dreamworks-l...factsheet.xhtml

	10-09-2004 04:05									#89
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quote: Of course. And you get that way from smoking pot. (Thinking of Cheech and Chong.)

you know, i'm not some rube who's never run into this sort of thing...

no, i do remember people who were like that, and are straight edge... they don't talk like surfers, per se, but they do have that spacey attitude, throw in numerous particles like that...

	10-09-2004 04:06									#90
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quote: DreamWorks L.L.C has moguls times three. Created in 1994 by Steven Spielberg (famed film director/producer), Jeffrey Katzenberg (former Disney film executive and animation guru), and David Geffen (recording industry maven), DreamWorks produces animated features (Shrek), live action movies (Catch Me if You Can), and TV shows (Las Vegas). DreamWorks Animation is the studio's Silicon Valley-based computer-animation arm. DreamWorks pulled out of the GameWorks video arcade business it started with SEGA and Universal Pictures, and has sold its music business to Universal Music. The three founders collectively own the majority of DreamWorks; Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen also owns a stake.

well aware of this. the reason why it's called dreamworks skg is because the skg comes from the founders' surnames.

how is disney anti-american?