10-09-2004 04:06									#91
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quote: Originally posted by lightblue Uhm English surfers (and Australians at a guess) probably talk exactly the same. i knew one in college, every second word was dude.

Yeah, but check out the droopie eyes.

Now, again, think of Cheech.

Surfers may say dude a lot. But they are not spaced-out and do not display droopie, drug-addled eyes.

	10-09-2004 04:08									#92
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wow...

ok, it's obvious that you're so completely convinced of this... and it seems as if you're the only one who really sees it.

just... wow...

	10-09-2004 04:10									#93
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Welcome to the Nedaverse.

The trick is to realise: there is no logic.

	10-09-2004 04:13									#94
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Q Cubed, maybe I've been around this drug culture too long. But I hardly think the Cheech-like, surfer-dude, turtle was intended only to be a surfer dude. There would have been no need to have his eyes half close and his brain addled.

	10-09-2004 04:13									#95
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quote: maybe I've been around this drug culture too long

That certainly would explain a few things.

	10-09-2004 04:14									#96
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Krazyhorse -- believe me, hah hah, I didn't inhale!

	10-09-2004 04:20									#97
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I'll just agree to disagree about the whole turtle thing.

Now, about the other allegations:
Where is the leftist propaganda?
Where is the anti-americanism?
How is Disney anti-american?

	10-09-2004 04:37									#98
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Q Cubed, take out the Spirit movie from the equation, we get down to one thing: the anti-American jibe.

	10-09-2004 04:38									#99
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which was a one-line throwaway joke, and honestly, it seems as if calling the movie anti-american based on just that is making an everest out of a paramecium.

	10-09-2004 05:06									#100
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You kow, Ned, people in high school used to say I was big dope fiend. They based this on my always being tired, and having dialated pupils. I didn't try pot until two years after I left high school.

I know straight edge surfers. (Yes, people in Florida surf) Yeah, I imagine a lot of surfers smoke dope. Given the size of the waves I see some people surf, I know there's know way they smoke dope. No one at say, Mavericks could smoke dope and live. They'd be killed by the monster waves. There's a reef off of San Deigo where they recorded a 66 foot wave. You wanna tell me that a pot-head could surf a wave like that and not get killed?

Ned, can you laugh at yourself? Can you make a joke about Ned? Can you make a joke about L.A.? California? The USA? Does it mean anything besides being a joke?

	10-09-2004 05:58									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Japher Disney IS evil, don't get me wrong. They like to kill Moms.

Bambi

	10-09-2004 06:04									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Ned What offended me most about these films is that I did not expect to be assualted with leftist propaganda, racism and glorification of drugs at a kids movie.

Why not? You're obviously smoking something really strong.

Glorification of drugs? It's a ****ing surfer! Are the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles glorifying drugs?

	10-09-2004 06:05									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Che, to you, an extreme lefty, having a fish crack an anti-American joke was probably offensive only because it was insufficiently harsh.

Jokes always attack something. SO WHAT?! The point is to be funny. Or are you of the opinion that America is perfect in all things, and therefore it must be impossible to make jokes about it?

	10-09-2004 06:45									#104
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@ Ned.

in a sad pathetic way.....

	10-09-2004 06:55									#105
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Ned has lost his ever-loving mind.

	10-09-2004 10:35									#106
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To all you who truly believe that the turtle was nothing more than a "surfer dude" by the manner of his speech, you are ignoring those eyes which indicate an addled brain.

Since we cannot conduct a survey here, let's just drop it. I see a drug-addled hippie. You see a clear headed, bright eyed athlete (with addled eyes).

	10-09-2004 21:51									#107
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which still doesn't answer the other allegations:
Where is the leftist propaganda?
Where is the anti-americanism?
How is Disney anti-american?

	10-09-2004 21:56									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Bambi

In reality they have been no freinds to hunters between Bambi, Fox and the Hound, etc.

My Dad, who used to be a big hunter, wouldn't watch Disney films with the kids as a result. Always used to grumble a lot when we did.

	10-09-2004 23:22									#109
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe In reality they have been no freinds to hunters between Bambi, Fox and the Hound, etc. My Dad, who used to be a big hunter, wouldn't watch Disney films with the kids as a result. Always used to grumble a lot when we did.

That reminds me of something that I DO have a problem with in the "entertainment" industry. Too many shows today portray the parents as clueless twits that are constantly being out done by the clever children. Fathers are made to look like bumbling fools, the constant butt of jokes, more often than not in cartoons and sitcoms.

Honestly, I would rather that a cartoon/childrens show be subtly anti-American than have it undermining a child's respect for their parents.

	10-09-2004 23:25									#110
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Sophie to me after seeing Finding Nemo for the first time:

"Daddy, I wanna toke up. Please????"

	10-09-2004 23:26									#111
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Well much as I love the show, you can look at "The Simpsons" as a prime example.

Doh!

	10-09-2004 23:35									#112
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Ned, you need help. You are seeing anti-American stuff everywhere. The turtle is a surfer dude, not a pothead (and how is pot "anti-American" anyways?). What about the glorification of alcohol. Alcohol is a more dangerous substance than marijuana. Are the beer companies in America (which are mostly right-wing) anti-American? What about Coors? They portray bar-hopping and binge drinking as "America's other pastime". Is that anti-American? You should email Pete Coors (a Republican running for Senate in Colorado) and tell him he's anti-American.

And I believe the portrayal of Americans in Spirit is accurate. Be mad at America for genocide and stealing the Indians land, not a movie for its dramatization of HISTORICAL FACTS. And try for a moment to have some empathy. Try to see the founding of America and subsequent expansion through the eyes of the Native Americans.

	10-09-2004 23:43									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe Well much as I love the show, you can look at "The Simpsons" as a prime example. Doh!

There are a bunch of examples on the Disney channel. I watch a show for a few minutes and there's silly old dad being a complete ass and earning the disrepect of his children. Roly Poly Ollie, Proud Family, Kim Possible, etc. etc. etc. Great message to send to children; thanks Disney.

	10-09-2004 23:51									#114
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Sophie to me after seeing Finding Nemo for the first time: "Daddy, I wanna toke up. Please????"

toke up?

	10-09-2004 23:53									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker toke up?

dammit you're in high school, you should know what that means!!!!!!!!

here's a hint....

	10-09-2004 23:59									#116
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They use that term in the movie?

	11-09-2004 00:00									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker They use that term in the movie?

nope

	11-09-2004 00:01									#118
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in fact, there's not a single mention of illegal substances in that movie.

	11-09-2004 00:02									#119
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Then WTF is a 2-year-old doing knowing what "toke up" means?

For that matter, how would a two-year-old even know about "toking up"?

	11-09-2004 00:03									#120
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Kuciwalker:

joke:

Main Entry: 1joke
Pronunciation: 'jOk
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin jocus; perhaps akin to Old High German gehan to say, Sanskrit yAcati he asks
Date: 1670
1 a : something said or done to provoke laughter; especially : a brief oral narrative with a climactic humorous twist b (1) : the humorous or ridiculous element in something (2) : an instance of jesting