10-09-2004 00:34									#1
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I don't want to continue the discussion in the other thread, so this is the spinoff.

Ned alleges that disney is anti-american. Upon questioning, his proof is that

quote: The last two movies put out by the Disney company were a story about a wild horse and a lost fish. In the horse movie, the white people, particularly the army, were unversally protrayed as evil, while the Indians were portrayed as nobel, oppressed victims. In the Nemo movie, there are crass jokes about "Americans" and a character, portrayed as a hero, who is nothing more than a spaced out, drugged-addled hippie.

Now, my response to it is this:

quote: i haven't seen the horse movie, but the native americans were oppressed victims... i don't know how one could think them anything but that. === what crass jokes about americans? the movie was set in australia. how is a spaced-out, drug-addled hippie anti-american? nemo, btw, was made by pixar, not disney.

Dauphin suggests that the drug-addled hippie, who i can't think of, refers to the turtles, though i can't see how any of the allegations stick.

quote: the turtle as a hero? jeez, he was in there maybe all of fifteen-twenty minutes, was clearly a "surfer dude"... there's no mention of drugs at all in that exchange--unless it's not possible to get high off of anything other than drugs... he wasn't particularly spaced-out, just easy-going... and how the hell is that anti-american?

finally, Eisner had nothing to do with Finding Nemo, really.

I'm just completely lost at how a movie like that could be read as anti-American.

	10-09-2004 00:36									#2
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Obviously, Nemo is unamerican. I mean, look at the attacks against the US navy and the quality of our sunken submarines?

	10-09-2004 00:36									#3
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	10-09-2004 00:38									#4
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What I don't get is how the white people in the horse movie being universally evil is anti-american?
Not all whites are american and not all americans are white, but maybe Ned keeps forgetting that and needs to be reminded from time to time.

Also, there aren't any drug-addled spaced-out hippies in Finding Nemo.

I wonder if Ned has seen the same movies as the rest of us.

	10-09-2004 00:40									#5
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Ned meant the surfer turtle.

	10-09-2004 00:41									#6
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oh, Ned thinks the turtle is a drugged-out hippy just because he speaks with the vocal cadence and slang of the surfing community. We can file that one alongside the implicit "black people aren't americans" comment he made earlier.

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	10-09-2004 00:43									#8
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Nemo makes fun of Americans, which is not anti-american, only funny.

People can be so ''suceptible'' sometimes.


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	10-09-2004 00:44									#9
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Disney has been making white ppl out to be bad in most of their cartoons lately, only because they have been making native american flicks. Don't see what is unAmerican about that.

At least they told Michael Moore to F'off

	10-09-2004 00:44									#10
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quote: Nemo makes fun of Americans, which is not anti-american, only funny.

granted, i haven't seen the movie in a few months, but i can't recall one joke at all at the expense of americans...

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Are you sure Ned didn't mean Dori? I think she fits the "spaced out, drugged-addled hippie" profile better.

And I think there was exactly ONE joke in the movie that could have been construed as "anti-American", but I can't remember it right now. Maybe I'll make some popcorn and watch it with the kids this weekend.

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Nemo also pokes fun at Australians, dentists, clown fish, seagulls, sharks, people with poor memories, over-protective fathers and naively over-confident children.

What a hate-fest that movie is. It's a ****ing disgrace.

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Disney IS evil, don't get me wrong. They like to kill Moms.

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Finding Nemo

1. Was clearly hostile to the Iraqi people. The humans were treated as bad, especially the girl, IIRC, and they were all AUSTRALIAN, a key member of the coalition of the willing. C'mon, shouldnt the bad guys have been French? OTOH maybe they were members of the Australian Labour Party.


2. FN clearly emphasized the role of men as fathers, and as single parents. This is either lefty feminist drivel, with its suggestions of role reversal, or an assertion of the viewpoint of the "Mens rights" movement.

3. The good guy fish in the dentists tank was pretty anti-authoritarian. OTOH Nemo learned to listen to his father, who only wanted the best for him.

4. The movie featured notorious Lesbian Ellen De Generes. OTOH the character she played was "straight", no?

5. The movie mocked 12 step programs (fish are friends, not food) which is either an atheist attacked on 12 steps well known theism, or a conservative attack on the "culture of recovery".

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quote: Originally posted by Stuie Are you sure Ned didn't mean Dori? I think she fits the "spaced out, drugged-addled hippie" profile better.

She fits a "ditzy dumb blonde" sterotype much better.

	10-09-2004 00:49									#16
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ok, doing google, i see one joke that seems to make everyone think the whole damn movie is anti-american.
an exchange between two sharks:
"Humans! Think they own everything."
"Probably American."

===

is that really anti-americanism? i mean, seriously? it's a one-liner that is a throwaway joke.

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Actually, she was a play on the goldfish only having 15 second memories.

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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet I wonder if Ned has seen the same movies as the rest of us.

I don't think Ned sees the same anything as most of us do.

	10-09-2004 00:51									#19
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quote: Are you sure Ned didn't mean Dori? I think she fits the "spaced out, drugged-addled hippie" profile better.

the only thing Dori fits with is the spaced-out thing... there's no suggestion that she's drug-addled or a hippie...

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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet She fits a "ditzy dumb blonde" sterotype much better.

Oh, and she was voiced by a lesbian. More fuel for the far right hate-mongers.

Q3 - that's the joke! Only one in the whole movie that even comes close to "anti-American".

	10-09-2004 00:52									#21
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the movie was antisemitic. Sea gull = Siegel, get it?

dansed to add smiley, for Gueveras sake.

	10-09-2004 00:53									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed quote: Are you sure Ned didn't mean Dori? I think she fits the "spaced out, drugged-addled hippie" profile better. the only thing Dori fits with is the spaced-out thing... there's no suggestion that she's drug-addled or a hippie...

Er, same goes for the turtles. They just talk like surfer dudes.

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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark the movie was antisemitic. Sea gull = Siegel, get it?

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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet over-protective fathers and naively over-confident children. .

which made it an absolute delight seeing it with POTM

	10-09-2004 00:55									#25
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at this point i want to know if ned has even seen finding nemo, and now it casts doubt into the allegations about some horse movie i've never heard of...

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And the "sea gulls" have big noses, and beedy eyes and are selfish, only knowing the word mine. Its so clear now.

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let's not forget that Nemo is obviously a tip of the hat to Jules Verne, who was French, and therefore anti-American...

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Maybe this ... http://www.laughingplace.com/News-ID10000670.asp ... is the horse movie?

Actually, it might also be that Hidalgo movie with the guy who played Aragorn in it. That was a Disney Pictures film. I don't think that had anything to do with Native Americans, but why should that stand in the way of Ned's disapproval?

	10-09-2004 01:00									#29
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The horse one was Called "Spirit: Something something"

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did some more googling, i think ned is referring to animated horse movies... and the only recent one i can find isn't even disney's at all, it's dreamworks skg... spirit: stallion of the cimarron (what a mouthful...)

so now that both movies in question are not disney movies...

how is disney anti-american?
how is finding nemo/pixar anti-american?

and i don't know what this horse movie is about, but how is that anti-american for portraying native americans as the oppressed?