11-09-2004 00:04									#121
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you'll have to ask ned, who's spent a lot of time around drug culture.

	11-09-2004 00:09									#122
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quote: Originally posted by Stuie That reminds me of something that I DO have a problem with in the "entertainment" industry. Too many shows today portray the parents as clueless twits that are constantly being out done by the clever children. Fathers are made to look like bumbling fools, the constant butt of jokes, more often than not in cartoons and sitcoms. Honestly, I would rather that a cartoon/childrens show be subtly anti-American than have it undermining a child's respect for their parents.

Nothing new dude, they've been doing ever since they starting making stuff for kids, dude...
but yeah, it annoys me too, then again, kids seem to like it.
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One more thing about the turtle:

turtle = slow.

Maybe that's the reasoning for portraying him the way they did.

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quote: Originally posted by alva Nothing new dude, they've been doing ever since they starting making stuff for kids, dude... but yeah, it annoys me too, then again, kids seem to like it.

I probably only think it's gotten worse in the last six and a half years because that's how long I've been a father.

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Father's have always been portrayed as bumbling simpletons in children's programming... it helps the little ones adjust to our iron-fisted mastery of the household.

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I thought your lady wife was the "master" of your house, John?

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Speaking from experience, are we?

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I have no experience of John's wife and I think it's disgraceful that you would try and smear the good name of an honest woman in this way.

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I think maybe Ned has a point.

I look at our prime time tv(well heck any time tv) over here in the uk, and i do wonder what i'll do when i have kids and they want to watch tv.
In the uk if your not on cable/sattelite etc you get 5 channels, or 4 if your on the outer edges of the country!

And i've noticed a real downward trend in the last 4-5 years. I hardly ever watch it anymore - too many unreal 'reality tv shows', too much sex aimed at younger audiences, too many gangsta rappers and bi-type cute white things broadcasting to 5 year olds for my liking.
I really think i'm going to ban tv for my kids - my parents did it to me for the first ten years of my life, and i feel better for it.

So maybe this Nemo/anti-american thing that upsets Ned is kind of just another nail in the coffin of entertainment gone bad for him?

And about what stuie said about undermining parents, we got a growing problem in our cities of very young kids just roaming wild and being a pain, sometimes lethal, to the general public. They seem completely out of control with no respect for anyone.
Could be part of the outcome of the 'tv generation' along with riseing obesity etc?

If much of this media in the US is controlled by 'left wing' companies, then maybe to Ned and others it seems like an attack on the country through a subtle method of mind control of the youth?

In which case i can see how he'd come to his point of view, although its a bit too strong for me, i would allow more than one joke before thinking something was anit-british

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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet I have no experience of John's wife and I think it's disgraceful that you would try and smear the good name of an honest woman in this way.

Too easy mate, saw that one coming miles away.

Nicely put though, as per usual.

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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor If much of this media in the US is controlled by 'left wing' companies, then maybe to Ned and others it seems like an attack on the country through a subtle method of mind control of the youth?

It's stupid in the first place to simply accuse the left of being un-American (or un-patriotic, generally spoken) just because they often don't like to dive too much in nationalist pathos. This "traitor"-labeling of the political opponent is disturbing in itself. And how Ned sees it, it sems kind of paranoid.




About Spirit: Though "anti-white racism" is a bit odd a description, I can guess what is disturbing Ned, though I don't know the movie. It's his esoterian image of the spiritual pacifist, tree-hugging, sage Indians, so deeply rooted with the land, in complete equilibrium with their dream-catchers above their sleeping place, this stupid mixing of many different traits of many different tribes into one artificial Indian Pan-American culture, contrasted to the material, evil European/American culture is a pain in the ass.

Does anyone know the Malcolm in the middle episode where Francis steals a totem-pole and dreams about a crow and being haunted by Indian spirits etc. and then the Indian comes with a rifle, turning out to be pretty materialistic and ridiculing Francis for his stereotype of the spiritual Indian? I couldn't stop laughing.

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COT, maybe, but citing Finding Nemo as an example is assinine, since it in fact reinforced plenty of good values. Almost as stupid as people who get upset about Harry Potter books.

As for kids and TV, its possible to limit the amount and watch the quality of what they watch. Not saying the junk culture doesnt make parenting harder, but its not undoable, and shouldnt overly worry you.

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Eisner announced that he is stepping down as CEO of Disney today, and the stock jumps 1.3%!

He knows he's loved

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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark As for kids and TV, its possible to limit the amount and watch the quality of what they watch. Not saying the junk culture doesnt make parenting harder, but its not undoable, and shouldnt overly worry you.

You're right. Lamentably we all know that many other parents won't. It's the parents in combination with TV culture who allow this junk to wash children's brains. You can partially protect your child from junk culture, but not their peers.

	11-09-2004 21:02									#135
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quote: Originally posted by Wernazuma III You can partially protect your child from junk culture, but not their peers.

That's what I'm struggling with as my oldest two are both in public school now. You can do your best at home, but once their peers get to them half of it goes out the window.

Then again it's a two way street. I'm sure all the Christian parents out there are going to get a shock when little Johnny and Janey come home and say "Stuie's kids said there is no god."

When my oldest first came home from kindergarten he mentioned that they said the Pledge of Allegiance. I asked what he did about the "god" part, and he replied that he said :
"One nation,
Blah, blah, blah,
With liberty and jutice for all."

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quote: Pledge of Allegiance.

Do they still do this?? scared:

	11-09-2004 21:30									#137
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Ned, you need help. You are seeing anti-American stuff everywhere. The turtle is a surfer dude, not a pothead (and how is pot "anti-American" anyways?). What about the glorification of alcohol. Alcohol is a more dangerous substance than marijuana. Are the beer companies in America (which are mostly right-wing) anti-American? What about Coors? They portray bar-hopping and binge drinking as "America's other pastime". Is that anti-American? You should email Pete Coors (a Republican running for Senate in Colorado) and tell him he's anti-American. And I believe the portrayal of Americans in Spirit is accurate. Be mad at America for genocide and stealing the Indians land, not a movie for its dramatization of HISTORICAL FACTS. And try for a moment to have some empathy. Try to see the founding of America and subsequent expansion through the eyes of the Native Americans.

Did you actually see it? The army sent platoons out for the sole purpose of shooting, not even capturing a wild horse. They wanted to punish it for escaping, I guess.

It was an absurdly bad movie, and yes, it was a little Anti-American.