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Ex-Guard Typist Recalls Memos Criticizing Bush
But the commander's secretary says she thinks the ones that surfaced last week are fakes.
By James Rainey, Times Staff Writer
George W. Bush's commanding officer in the Texas Air National Guard wrote memos more than 30 years ago objecting to efforts to gloss over the young lieutenant's shortcomings and failure to take a flight physical, the officer's former secretary said Tuesday night.
But Marian Carr Knox of Houston said she thought four memos unveiled by CBS News last week were forgeries — not copies of the ones she typed at the time.
Knox, 86, worked for 23 years at Ellington Air Force Base in Houston and served as a typist for Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, then Bush's squadron commander, and several other officers.
In a brief interview Tuesday, she confirmed that Killian had concerns about Bush's failure to take his physical examination in 1972, which prevented him from flying, and about efforts by higher-ups to protect the future president from the fallout.
Knox told several newspapers that Killian kept the personal files on Bush, and on other topics, in a desk drawer as a way of "covering his back" in anticipation of later questions about his actions. She retired in 1979, before Killian's death, and said she did not know what became of the files.
Knox said that the four memos first shown last week on CBS News did not look authentic. After speaking briefly to The Times, Knox said she was tired of talking about the subject and turned the phone over to her son, Patrick M. Carr.
Carr said he had heard his mother describe for other reporters how some of the terminology in the memos, including the use of "billets" and a reference to the "administrative officer" were not in common usage in the 147th Fighter Interceptor Group, for which she worked. She said those terms sounded more like the ones used by the Army National Guard, her son said.
The four memos in question, revealed by CBS Sept. 8, purportedly were written by Killian between May 1972 and August 1973, during a time when Bush was absent from his regular Guard duty. The network called the source of the documents "unimpeachable," but declined to say who it was.
The first memo ordered Bush to take a physical in order to maintain his flying status. The next discussed how he could "get out of coming to drill" so he could go to Alabama to work on a political campaign. The third and fourth memos, respectively, said Bush had been "suspended from flight status" and that Killian was resisting pressure from a former Guard officer to "sugar-coat" Bush's yearly evaluation.
Killian died in 1984, and his views of Bush have been hotly debated by those around him, with Knox joining another former Guard officer who said objections to Bush's service sounded like those the squadron commander would have made.
Killian's son and widow, however, have said adamantly that they do not believe he kept such "personal" records on Bush or other employees and that the officer held his young pilot in high esteem.
Gary D. Killian, 51, of Houston said that Knox was a "dear old lady" but that she was not in the best position to know or recall his father's feelings of 30 years ago.
"I had more time to talk to my father and know what he thought about those things than Ms. Carr, bless her heart," Killian said Tuesday.
"First of all, she was the secretary not just to my dad but to many officers, and her primary job was to do typing for the group commander," Killian said.
"All the documents from Bush's record have been released and these don't exist. That's because they never happened."
CBS spokeswoman Sandy Genelius greeted Knox's statements with mixed emotions. While suggesting that Knox was wrong about the authenticity of the memos, she was pleased that the one-time secretary corroborated their content.
"While we do not believe that she is a documents expert," CBS spokeswoman Sandy Genelius said of Knox, "it is exceptionally noteworthy that she supports the content of our story.""While we do not believe that she is a documents expert," CBS spokeswoman Sandy Genelius said, "it is exceptionally noteworthy that she supports the content of our story."
White House officials could not be reached for comment, but earlier in the day the Bush administration made its strongest statements yet rebutting the memos. Aides said Bush had recently reviewed the documents and told them that the memos did not reflect the nature of his relationship with Killian.
First Lady Laura Bush had said while campaigning Monday that she felt the documents were fakes.
The debate over the memos has raged for a week in a campaign in which both Bush and Democratic nominee John F. Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran, have gone to great lengths to bolster their credentials to lead the nation as commander in chief.
Questions about Bush's service began when his father, George H.W. Bush, ran for president in 1988. Since the younger Bush won the presidency four years ago, his backers have said repeatedly that his honorable discharge is the best evidence that he served admirably. But a six-month gap in his service in 1972 has never been completely explained, and most of the men who served at an Alabama base where Bush was supposed to have reported that year said they did not recall ever seeing him.
The controversy began Sept. 8, when the "CBS Evening News" and the network's "60 Minutes" magazine aired extensive reports saying Bush was fast-tracked into the Guard over other candidates and then had his path to an honorable discharge cleared, despite the fact that he didn't fly for his last 18 months in the service.
CBS interviewed former Texas House Speaker Ben Barnes, who said that, at the request of a Bush family friend, he had talked the head of the Air National Guard into giving Bush a coveted position, one that would keep him out of combat. Barnes is a Democrat and a top financial contributor to Kerry's campaign.
To buttress its report, the network displayed four memos it said were written at the time by Bush's by-the-book unit commander.
A tempest erupted almost immediately over the authenticity of the memos, with some experts saying that the typing and spacing were unlike what would have been produced by typewriters of the era.
Knox based her objections to the memos not on the type but on the content, which she said smacked of the Army, not the Air Force.
Like all aspects of the debate, the views of the principals tend to coincide with their feelings on the election.
Knox identified herself as an opponent of Bush, whom she called unfit for office. Killian's son, meanwhile, called himself a Republican who would vote for the president as "the best alternative."
Bush on Tuesday addressed a national conference of thousands of retired and active Guard members in Las Vegas, telling them he was proud of his service.
Kerry is to address the same group Thursday but does not plan to speak about Bush's Guard service, an advisor said.
Instead, the Democrat plans to thanks the Guard members for their "heroic service" and to "hold the president accountable for what he is doing now, not 30 years ago," said Joe Lockhart, a senior advisor to the campaign.
CBS's next move is also unclear. Even as other reporters lined up for interviews with Knox Tuesday, CBS anchor Dan Rather was calling into the elderly woman's home.
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Mar 2000
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CBS Guard Documents Traced to Tex. Kinko's
Records Reportedly Faxed From Abilene
By Michael Dobbs
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 16, 2004; Page A06
Documents allegedly written by a deceased officer that raised questions about President Bush's service with the Texas Air National Guard bore markings showing they had been faxed to CBS News from a Kinko's copy shop in Abilene, Tex., according to another former Guard officer who was shown the records by the network.
The markings provide one piece of evidence suggesting a source for the documents, whose authenticity has been hotly disputed since CBS aired them in a "60 Minutes" broadcast Sept. 8. The network has declined to name the person who provided them, saying the source was confidential, or to explain how the documents came to light after more than three decades.
There is only one Kinko's in Abilene, and it is 21 miles from the Baird, Tex., home of retired Texas National Guard officer Bill Burkett, who has been named by several news outlets as a possible source for the documents.
Robert Strong, who was one of three people interviewed by "60 minutes," said he was shown copies of the documents by CBS anchor Dan Rather and producer Mary Mapes on Sept. 5, three days before the broadcast. He said at least one of the documents bore a faxed header indicating it had been sent from a Kinko's in Abilene.
Strong's comments came as CBS News President Andrew Heyward in an interview acknowledged that there were "unresolved issues" that the network wanted "to get to the bottom of." Since the broadcast, critics have pointed to a host of unexplained problems about the memos, which bore dates from 1972 and 1973, including signs that they had been written on a computer rather than a Vietnam-era typewriter.
"I feel that we did a tremendous amount of reporting before the story went on the air or we wouldn't have put it on the air," Heyward said in an interview last night, while acknowledging "a ferocious debate about these documents."
Asked what role Burkett may have played in CBS's reporting of the report, Heyward said: "I'm not going to get into any discussion of who the sources are."
Burkett, who has accused Bush aides of ordering the destruction of some portions of the president's National Guard record because they might have been politically embarrassing, did not return telephone calls to his home. His lawyer, David Van Os, issued a statement on Burkett's behalf saying he "no longer trusts any possible outcome of speaking to the press on any issue regarding George W. Bush and does not choose to dignify recent spurious attacks upon his character with any comment."
In news interviews earlier this year, Burkett said he overheard a telephone conversation in the spring of 1997 in which top Bush aides asked the head of the Texas National Guard to sanitize Bush's files as he was running for a second term as governor of Texas. Several days later, he said, he saw dozens of pages from Bush's military file dumped in a trash can at Camp Mabry, the Guard's headquarters.
The Bush aides Burkett named as participants in the telephone conversation were Chief of Staff Joe M. Allbaugh and spokespersons Karen Hughes and Dan Bartlett. All three Bush aides and former Texas National Guard Maj. Gen. Daniel James have strongly denied the allegations.
Suspicions that Burkett could have been a source for the CBS documents first surfaced earlier this week when Newsweek magazine reported that Mapes flew to Texas to interview him over the summer. Yesterday, the New York Times reported that a CBS staffer, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed that Burkett was a source for the "60 Minutes" report but "did not know the exact role he played."
Yesterday reporters from several news organizations were camped near Blair, Tex., outside Burkett's home, which is on a working ranch, with a gate barring access to a one-story farmhouse and a pickup truck outside. At 6 p.m. Central Time, Burkett walked to the gate on his cane with a black dog by his side to collect his mail. He refused to answer questions over whether he provided the documents to CBS.
"Get out my way," he told the reporters. "You need to go home."
Earlier this year, Burkett gave interviews to numerous news outlets, including The Washington Post, alleging corruption and malfeasance at the top of the Texas National Guard, many of which have never been substantiated. He has also been a named source for several reports by USA Today, which reported Monday that it had independently obtained copies of the disputed memos soon after the broadcast.
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Nov 2001
time: 23:23
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 at this story, and the insane hyperbole around it.
Lets see:
CBS news made the horribly damaging and utterly incredible claim that the oldest son of a powerful and privilaged New England Family with close connections to powerful politicial and financial interests might have had preferential treatment (An accusation so horrendous as to be, well, obvious and rather self-evident). They presented 4 pieces of paper to presnet this rather obvious "charge"- at least 2 of which may have been false. This of course is the worst piece of journalism since, well, besides since some outlets begun broadcasting utterly unsubstantiated claims about one candidate as truth, well, since the entire media failed to investigate charges that a certain state had a huge wepaons of mass destruction arsenal, as charged by the admin. and supposedly backed by a very nice presentation to the UN (all of which porved incorrect, so ojne wonders about those charges). Since that failure (of course, insignificant compared to this- cause war and peace does not compare to a TV channel making rather obvious charges). Of course, there was also the whole fiasco with the Jessica Lynch story- or the misrepresentation of Dean's speech post Iowa, but heck, I mean, this incredible (and self-evident) claim that a rich boy got preferential treatment is so shocking that most Americans would have never thought it possible that a rich boy get treated differently thasn someone who's father was not a politician.
And while the "serious media", and the bloggosphere spend hours on this critical issue over a self-evident charge, I have to turn on to a comedy show to see footage of our beloved secretary of defense ranting and raving, and multiple times being unable to get right the name of Osama Bin Laden, instead making the minor mistake of turning the Osama into Saddam (hey, the sound sort of the same) and the Bin Laden into Hussein (well, not as close). Cause lord knows one is more a sign of the times than the other 
But Jay Leno (who interestingly enough has a far greater rating than any of the Cable "news" channels) did have one nice quip on the subject:
"What do you call CBS News with its credibility gone? Fox News".
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Mar 2000
time: 23:23
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Bush says he's 'proud' of Vietnam-era National Guard service
GOP contender disputes report of favorable treatment
July 4, 1999
Web posted at: 7:07 p.m. EDT (2307 GMT)
From staff and wire reports
AMHERST, New Hampshire (AllPolitics, July 4) -- GOP presidential candidate George W. Bush defended his military service record Sunday, after a report in the Los Angeles Times said he may gotten "highly favorable treatment" to win a place as a pilot in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War era.
"I applied, and I wanted to fly jets, and I did," the Texas governor told reporters while on a July Fourth campaign swing in New Hampshire. "I was proud of my service. Had my unit been called up, I would have gone overseas."
"I would have gone had I been called. I can assure you of that," Bush said, noting that his commander told the Times "there was no preferential treatment given."
Times: No evidence of political pressure
In its report, the Los Angeles Times said it found no evidence that either Bush or his father, former President George Bush, had personally tried to influence or pressure anyone to get the younger Bush a place in the Texas Guard. Bush's father was a congressman from Houston at the time.
But the Times also found that despite a long waiting list nationwide, Bush easily got in the Guard and received a commission as a second lieutenant, despite lacking the credentials many other candidates had, such as ROTC experience. He also had no previous aviation experience.
"He was a son of privilege, his father was a man of means, political means, and if he was Joe Schmo trying to get into the Guard ... it wasn't going to happen," said Richard Serrano, author of the Times story.
"His name didn't hurt, obviously," retired Col. Charles C. Shoemake, who served with Bush, told the Times.
Texas Air National Guard historian Tom Hail also told the Times that the fast-tracking of Bush through the ranks was unusual.
"I've never heard of that," Hail said. "Generally, they did that for doctors only, mostly because we needed extra flight surgeons."
However, the Dallas Morning News, which also looked into Bush's military record, reported that while Bush's unit in Texas had a waiting list for many spots, he was accepted because he was one of a handful of applicants willing and qualified to spend more than a year in active training flying F-102 jets.
Bush joined Guard to follow father's footsteps
Bush, a Yale University graduate, has said he joined the Air National Guard rather than volunteer for Army combat duty because he wanted to learn how to fly jet fighters like his father, who was a fighter pilot in World War II.
"He said he wanted to fly just like his daddy," Bush's commander, Col. Walter B. "Buck" Staudt, told the Times. "Nobody did anything for him. There was no ... influence on his behalf."
The Times reported that many of Bush's former colleagues and superiors in the Guard remember him as a bright young leader who worked hard.
"He did the work. His daddy didn't do it for him," said retired Maj. Willie J. Hooper.
Few in presidential field have military service
During the Vietnam era, joining the National Guard was seen by many as a means of avoiding the draft and combat duty. In 1988, Dan Quayle, then on the GOP ticket with Bush's father, was bedeviled by accusations that his prominent family helped him win a coveted spot in the Indiana National Guard.
However, the political potency of the issue in 2000 is questionable. Of the current crop of presidential candidates, only one -- Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona -- saw combat duty in Vietnam. A Navy pilot, McCain was shot down and spent more than five years as a prisoner of war.
Two others in the field, Vice President Al Gore and GOP Sen. Bob Smith of New Hampshire, also served in Vietnam but not in combat. Joining Bush and Quayle in stateside military service were Steve Forbes, who was in the New Jersey National Guard, and former Sen. Bill Bradley, who served in the Air Force Reserve.
The only woman in the race, Elizabeth Dole, wasn't eligible for the draft. The rest of the men in the field either received deferments or were issued a high number that kept them from being drafted.
Kasich: Times story 'gotcha' politics
One of Bush's competitors for the GOP nomination, Rep. John Kasich of Ohio, said the Times revelations about Bush's war record was "no story."
"I didn't read anything in there that didn't say that he didn't do a good job, that he was praised by a lot of people he worked with," said Kasich, who had a high draft number, on ABC's "This Week" program. "I hope this isn't the beginning of 'gotcha' politics in terms of the presidential campaign."
In 1992, President Bill Clinton, an opponent of the Vietnam War, was similarly buffeted with questions about his lack of military service, including whether he solicited help from people with influence to keep him from being drafted.
In the end, however, he beat the elder Bush to win in 1992 and another veteran, former Sen. Bob Dole, in 1996.
Correspondent Candy Crowley and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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I found this rather intriguing.
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The Mad Monk
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Mar 2000
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Ex-Guardsman Is Said to Be a CBS Source
By RALPH BLUMENTHAL
Published: September 16, 2004
OUSTON, Sept. 15 - Bill Burkett once said his job was to make Gov. George W. Bush a hero.
As a lieutenant colonel working on the readiness of the Texas National Guard, Mr. Burkett, a lay preacher's son from Portales, N.M., was brought in with a high commission in 1996 to work on mobilization plans that would make the Guard shine.
"I was very supportive of Bush," he said in an interview this year.
But it was not long before Mr. Burkett, whom colleagues call a stickler for rules, fell out with senior commanders and ended up in a suit against the Guard and its leaders. He also became disillusioned with Mr. Bush, who he said was not supporting needed reforms in the Guard.
The bitterness, he later said, moved him to go public with what he said he and a fellow officer, George O. Conn, witnessed one night in Austin in 1997. That was when, he said, commanders, in touch with Mr. Bush's political advisers, left documents in the trash while sanitizing the governor's service records. .
Now, Mr. Burkett, whose account last February was derided by the White House, has been drawn into another fray, this one on documents supplied to "60 Minutes II" on CBS. On Tuesday, a person at the network named Mr. Burkett as a source of records critical of Mr. Bush's Vietnam era service that CBS said last week came from the personal files of Lieutenant Bush's squadron commander, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, who died in 1984.
Citing discrepancies in the typeface and wording of the documents, a growing number of experts, as well as Mr. Killian's wife and son and his former secretary, have called them fakes. The secretary, Marian Carr Knox, said they appeared to reflect Colonel Killian's sentiments that someone might have sought to recreate from lost originals.
Mr. Burkett (pronounced BURR-kit), 55, did not respond to numerous messages in recent days and turned away a reporter for The New York Times on Wednesday who called several times from outside the locked gate of his ranch in Baird, Tex., east of Abilene.
His lawyer, David Van Os of San Antonio, repeatedly declined to answer when asked whether Mr. Burkett had a role in obtaining or providing the documents.
"Bill Burkett is tired of being speculated about when the real story is and should be where was George Bush?" Mr. Van Os said. "The possibility that Bill Burkett would falsify documents or falsify any story is zero."
Robert Strong, a former Guard officer interviewed on "60 Minutes,'' said documents that CBS showed to him for authentication bore a facsimile stamp of a Kinko's store in Abilene. Mr. Van Os, asked whether that pointed to Mr. Burkett, said he had no information about that.
Mr. Conn, who vouched for Mr. Burkett in his suit in 2002, has a United States government job in Germany and did not respond to an e-mail message and a telephone message left at his home in Dallas. In an e-mail message in February, Mr. Conn said: "I know LTC Bill Burkett and served with him several years ago in the Texas Army National Guard. I believe him to be honest and forthright. He 'calls things like he sees them.' "
Mr. Conn declined to say whether he had seen any cleansing of Mr. Bush's files with Mr. Burkett.
Harvey Gough, a restaurateur in Dallas who was in the Guard with Mr. Burkett and Mr. Conn, said this week that he had recently spoken with Mr. Conn in Europe and came away convinced that Mr. Conn had no knowledge of the Killian documents.
Mr. Gough said he also had no idea of their origins and had never discussed the matter with Mr. Burkett.
Yet another officer who served with Mr. Burkett, Dennis Adams, a retired lieutenant colonel now working as a security officer at the State Capitol in Austin, said this week, "I don't know of anybody I'd put in a higher category than Bill."
Mr. Adams said that Mr. Burkett had told him afterward of having witnessed the sanitizing of Mr. Bush's Guard file "and that some of the things in the trash were pulled out.''
"He never did say by whom," Mr. Adams added. "I don't have the foggiest idea what documents of any kind he ever had," Mr. Adams said.
In addition to describing what he said was the destruction of documents, Mr. Burkett said in the February interview that also overheard a conversation in mid-1997 between Gen. Daniel James, head of the Texas National Guard, and Joseph M. Allbaugh, a top aide to Governor Bush, that discussed the Guard records.
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Compare and contrast with the Washington Post article I posted earlier.
Please.
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The Mad Monk
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Mar 2000
time: 23:23
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Rather Concedes Papers Are Suspect
CBS Anchor Urges Media to Focus On Bush Service
By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 16, 2004; Page A01
CBS anchor Dan Rather acknowledged for the first time yesterday that there are serious questions about the authenticity of the documents he used to question President Bush's National Guard record last week on "60 Minutes."
"If the documents are not what we were led to believe, I'd like to break that story," Rather said in an interview last night. "Any time I'm wrong, I want to be right out front and say, 'Folks, this is what went wrong and how it went wrong.' "
_____Documents' Differences_____
• Compare: Memo obtained from Pentagon differs from disputed memo obtained by CBS.
_____Live Discussion_____
• Transcript: Washington Post staff writer Michael Dobbs, who has been following the story about Bush's Vietnam-era service, was online Monday.
_____More From The Post_____
• Expert Cited by CBS Says He Didn't Authenticate Papers (The Washington Post, Sep 14, 2004)
• Gaps in Service Continue to Dog Bush (The Washington Post, Sep 12, 2004)
• Some Question Authenticity of Papers on Bush (The Washington Post, Sep 10, 2004)
• Records Say Bush Balked at Order (The Washington Post, Sep 9, 2004)
• Democrat Says He Helped Bush Into Guard to Score Points (The Washington Post, Sep 4, 2004)
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Rather spoke after interviewing the secretary to Bush's former squadron commander, who told him that the memos attributed to her late boss are fake -- but that they reflect the commander's belief that Bush was receiving preferential treatment to escape some of his Guard commitments.
The former secretary, Marian Carr Knox, is the latest person to raise questions about the "60 Minutes" story, which Rather and top CBS officials still defend while vowing to investigate mounting questions about whether the 30-year-old documents used in the story were part of a hoax. Their shift in tone yesterday came as GOP critics as well as some media commentators demanded that the story be retracted and suggested that Rather should step down.
"This is not about me," Rather said before anchoring last night's newscast. "I recognize that those who didn't want the information out and tried to discredit the story are trying to make it about me, and I accept that."
For Rather, 72, it is an all-too-familiar role. In his CBS career, he has survived an impertinent exchange with President Richard M. Nixon during Watergate, a clandestine trek through the mountains of Afghanistan, an on-air confrontation with George H.W. Bush over Iran-contra and a much-debated sitdown with Saddam Hussein in Baghdad.
Now, on the final leg of a career launched by a Texas hurricane, Rather is trying to weather his biggest storm. And some of his closest friends and associates are concerned.
"I think this is very, very serious," said Bob Schieffer, CBS's chief Washington correspondent. "When Dan tells me these documents are not forgeries, I believe him. But somehow we've got to find a way to show people these documents are not forgeries." Some friends of Rather, whose contract runs until the end of 2006, are discussing whether he might be forced to make an early exit from CBS.
In her interview with Rather yesterday, Knox repeated her contention that the documents used by "60 Minutes" were bogus. Knox, 86, worked for Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian while he supervised Bush's unit in the early 1970s.
"I know that I didn't type them," Knox said of the Killian memos. "However, the information in there is correct," she said, adding that Killian and the other officers would "snicker about what [Bush] was getting away with."
Rather said he was "relieved and pleased" by Knox's comments that the disputed memos reflected Killian's view of the favorable treatment that Bush received in the military unit. But he said, "I take very seriously her belief that the documents are not authentic." If Knox is right, Rather said, the public "won't hear about it from a spokesman. They'll learn it from me."
But he also delivered a message to "our journalistic competitors," including The Washington Post and rival networks: "Instead of asking President Bush and his staff questions about what is true and not true about the president's military service, they ask me questions: 'How do you know this and that about the documents?' "
CBS News President Andrew Heyward defended the work that went into the Guard story. "I feel that we did a tremendous amount of reporting before the story went on the air or we wouldn't have put it on the air," Heyward said last night. "But we want to get to the bottom of these unresolved issues," including questions about the memos' typography, signatures and format. "There's such a ferocious debate about these documents."
Heyward said the account by Knox is "significant, which is why we're putting it on our prime-time program," "60 Minutes."
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Apparently, he's willing to accept that the documents are forgeries, as long as somebody is there to support his attack.
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