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Look at the numbers, Fezzie:

NYC is as liberal a city as it comes-Bush's chances here are less than those of a snowball in hell.

And Peter Jennings is actually far more of a leftie-yet ABC seems to be doing great.

I doubt CBS was number one in any market-they have been in the pits in NY for years. If I have time to watch the network news, I never turn to CBS- its either ABC or NBC. In reality though its PBS.

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Then for once, use your own, instead of hiding behind something else. We should call you Potemkin Village. All front, no susbtance.


Typical GePap, always denying the existence or importance of things you can't handle. Rathergate is damaging to your side, so it obviously doesn't matter. Similarly, my logic has pwned you countless times in the past few months, so it obviously doesn't exist...



Typical PV

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Look at the numbers, Fezzie:

NYC is is liberal a city as it comes-Bush's chances here are less than those of a snowball in hell.

And Peter Jennings is actually far more of a leftie-yet ABC seems to be doing great.

I doubt CBS was number one in any market-they have been in the pits in NY for years. If I have time to watch the network news, I never turn to CBS- its either ABC or NBC. In reality though its PBS.


Blahblahblah.. blahblahblah... blahblahblahblah...

Is that all you can say? Partisan nonsense? Tell me dude, do you still think these documents are real even after they have been proven fake? You have an agenda, and it is dangerous for this country.

PBS?

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Blahblahblah.. blahblahblah... blahblahblahblah...

Is that all you can say? Partisan nonsense? Tell me dude, do you still think these documents are real even after they have been proven fake? You have an agenda, and it is dangerous for this country.

PBS?


I love it when you prove yourself a fool. Makes things sooooo easy.

Its funny for you not to be aware than Peter Jennings is a bigger lefty than Dan Rather-who is just an insane Texan (as the 2000 election proved)

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I love it when you prove yourself a fool. Makes things sooooo easy.

Its funny for you not to be aware than Peter Jennings is a bigger lefty than Dan Rather-who is just an insane Texan (as the 2000 election proved)


Attack the ideas, not the poster.

I don't care if someone is a lefty or not, and I don't know who Peter Jennings is (not that I really care). But are you still trying to think the documents are real? You make a good politican, you totally miss the entire point of my post.

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I don't care if someone is a lefty or not,
Well, that's a relief.

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I watched 60 Minutes last night and that woman said she thought that these documents were sanitized versions of the originals.



She stated they had been altered. She implied that they were altered adversely to Bush. She did not imply the opposite as you state.

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I support anybody but Bush syndrome . But I prefer it be another republican (one who is not so religious and catering to big business- yes they do exist). I can't stand democrats.


I am of two minds on this issue as well. I think I would like the Governator more than any other Republican. He is pro-choice. I think McCain is pro-life. Arnie is anti-tax. McCain sees nothing wrong with taxes because he is a balanced budget type in the mold of Ike.

On foreign policy, though, I think McCain would be the best. This issue and taxes are what drives my vote.

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GePap and other fellow travellers of the radical left, why are you complaining about Bush using drugs? After all, your supreme leader, the multi-billionaire Soros, has been pro-drug use for a long time. Clinton even admitted he used pot on MTV. The drug culture is somewhat glorified by the left.

Aren't you guys being just a bit hypocritical?

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I think Drakie pooh has hit a nerve on someone

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You mean Potemkin Village?

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This whole mess stinks worse than Bill Clinton's humidor!

I just like that line.

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She stated they had been altered. She implied that they were altered adversely to Bush. She did not imply the opposite as you state.


NO SHE DID NOT!!! DID YOU ACTUALLY WATCH THE DAMN THING!?!

She said that she didn't think they were genuine, but said that everything they said was basically true (including the stuff about Killian's attitudes).

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In the latest twist, the secretary who would have typed the memos said they appeared to have been forged.

However, Marian Carr Knox told CBS television - which first broke the story - that the content was truthful.


The documents are irrelevant now that there is a witness who is prepared to testify to the accuracy of their claims.

Who gives a **** if they were forged if they are telling the truth.

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Who gives a **** if they were forged if they are telling the truth.


You know this makes no sense?

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Who gives a **** if they were forged if they are telling the truth.


Everyone should. It's like police planting evidence on someone they "know" committed a crime. I do not trust an 85-year old woman's memory to remember who her boss liked or did not like thirty years ago. Hell, I can barely remember the names of people I worked with twenty years ago.

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Everyone should. It's like police planting evidence on someone they "know" committed a crime. I do not trust an 85-year old woman's memory to remember who her boss liked or did not like thirty years ago. Hell, I can barely remember the names of people I worked with twenty years ago.





It bothers me that many people don't care that they are forged I'm glad at least you do

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I can accept basic stupidity from Drakie Pooh- thats just his being. But from you, besides no real argumentation, I at least expect some basic common sense.
I'm sorry but when every other post from you in this thread is a long diatribe on how little you care about this story or this thread yet you continue to post in said thread you get made fun of because it's annoying after awhile especially with the hollier than thou you launch into.

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NO SHE DID NOT!!! DID YOU ACTUALLY WATCH THE DAMN THING!?!


Yes I did, which is why I am forced to correct your spin. She said the info was basicly correct, true. She said they were not though copies of the originals. She did not say, as you said, that they had been altered from the originals for the purpose of sanitizing even further damaging information. She actually said the opposite.

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Yes I did, which is why I am forced to correct your spin. She said the info was basicly correct, true. She said they were not though copies of the originals.


She did say, however, that those documents were similar to documents she typed up. If that is true, it would be as if the police lost incriminating evidence, and then fabricated identical evidence. If this is the case, it may be possible that the person who supplied them to CBS thought they were originals.

Speculating that the TANG officer who reported that he saw the destruction of Bush's records claims to have looked in the waste basket and read several of the reports to be destroyed is the source. If someone fed these fakes to him, he may have believed he got his hands on surviving documents. CBS should only out their source if they can prove he knowingly deceived them, which I think will be difficult.

In other news, a Federal judge has given the Pentagon two weeks to release everything it has on the President's service.

Why this is important.
Some people question why Bush's service 30 years ago is important. This is why. If allegations that Bush went AWOL thirty years ago are true, then he is a criminal. The statute of limitations on desertion is forever, but Bush didn't desert. I don't know what the SoL is on going AWOL.

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Why this is important.
Some people question why Bush's service 30 years ago is important. This is why. If allegations that Bush went AWOL thirty years ago are true, then he is a criminal. The statute of limitations on desertion is forever, but Bush didn't desert. I don't know what the SoL is on going AWOL.

If he was AWOL thirty years ago and then HONORABLY DISCHARGED he is not a criminal.

People go AWOL all the time, its just means they don't know where you are. THE KEY IS HE WAS HONORABLY DISCHARGED, even the Kerry campaign recognizes that.

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Yep... honorably discharged... a lock solid fact that NOBODY denies, but some people want to claim he is a criminal?



This is getting funnier with every post as some people are still trying to make hay out of a bunch of forgeries...

Maybe somebody should forge some documents saying Kerry was a killer of children, and then say, Nahh, they are fake, but we have a 80 year old who will swear that it's still true... This is great stuff

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Right- that is why they have been making those ads- oh, wait, they haven't.

Give me a break. Even if your assertion were true- SO WHAT??? The media must do or react to what the DNC does? Its a meaningless statement you made.

You seems to devote a lot of time to it-why, if you trully believe its a non-issue? non-issues are stuff to ignore.


They haven't?

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NO SHE DID NOT!!! DID YOU ACTUALLY WATCH THE DAMN THING!?!

She said that she didn't think they were genuine, but said that everything they said was basically true (including the stuff about Killian's attitudes).

From the Been



The documents are irrelevant now that there is a witness who is prepared to testify to the accuracy of their claims.

Who gives a **** if they were forged if they are telling the truth.


I can't remember the names of people when I was in high school. So how can I trust somebody who probably has remembered things that didn't happen.

You deny, deny, deny. Yet the facts are glaring. The documents are in fact false. CBS received a major punishment from viewers for this (with very low viewership).

Now a recent gallup poll shows Bush blazing ahead with a 14% lead over Kerry.

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Rather is getting rather whipped:

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XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX THU SEPT 16, 2004 11:42:09 ET XXXXX

CBS CONCERN OVER VIEWERSHIP PLUNGE; RATHER RATINGS FADE IN MAJOR MARKETS

CBS executives on both coasts have become concerned in recent days that Dan Rather's EVENING NEWS broadcast has plunged in the ratings since the anchor presented questionable documents about Bush's National Guard service.

NIELSEN numbers released this week show Rather fading and trailing his rivals in every Top 10 city, other than San Francisco, with audience margins in some cities running more than 6 to 1 against CBS!

Executives fear many voters inclined to vote for Bush are now switching off Rather.

"The audience appears to [be] polarized," a top CBS source said from LOS ANGELES on Thursday. "Rightly or wrongly, we're being perceived as 'anti-Bush,' which I do not think is fair to Dan, who is a fine journalist... of course we do not like to see the ratings coming back the way they are this week."

In Philadelphia, the nation's #4 market, Rather pulled a 2.6 rating/5 share on Tuesday night against ABC's 13.3 rating/23 share and NBC's 4.0/7.

In Chicago, Rather hit a 2.3/5 to ABC's 9.2/20.

CBS trailed ABC by more than 2 to 1 in Los Angeles.

And in the nation's top market, New York, Rather finished not only behind NBC NIGHTLY NEWS and ABC WORLD NEWS TONIGHT -- but also pulled less audience than reruns of the SIMPSONS, WILL & GRACE and KING OF QUEENS.

Rather finished dead last in New York during the 6:30 pm timeslot among all broadcast channels tracked by NIELSEN on Tuesday.

Developing...


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Executives fear many voters inclined to vote for Bush are now switching off Rather.




Maybe it has more to do with the fact that nobody thinks he's worth watching anymore since he is making such a fool out of himself. Both my Dem and Repub friends thinks he's a joke.

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I think I would like the Governator more than any other Republican. He is pro-choice. ............. Arnie is anti-tax.


Just a point of interest here.... Arnold can never be President of the US. He was not born a US citizen. He was naturalized. You must be a born US citizen in order to hold the highest office in the US.

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I'm sorry but when every other post from you in this thread is a long diatribe on how little you care about this story or this thread yet you continue to post in said thread you get made fun of because it's annoying after awhile especially with the hollier than thou you launch into.


I am glad it came out as holier than thou- that was what I am going for. Oh, and sicne when is saying I don't care about the story saying I don;t care about the thread? one and the other as joined but distinct entities. I do find it absurd this "story" gets so much attention- and I do care to make it known that I find it absurd.

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Both my Dem and Repub friends thinks he's a joke.
The CBS affiliate in his hometown of Houston is dumping one of his show on fridays, in favor of a Fox show.

 
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