12-09-2004 11:52									#31
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quote: the cloud = the fireball?

Heh, I was about to edit in that caveat, and linearly project the energy of the NK nuke, then figured that projection would be totally silly since there's absolutely no reason to think the relationship between the energy of the bomb and the radius is linear, and forgot about that caveat.

	12-09-2004 11:53									#32
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I think somebody in Washington needs to talk with Bejing and find out what exactly happened. Some things are just not adding up.

	12-09-2004 11:56									#33
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http://ares.redsword.com/GPS/old/sum_sat.htm

we should know whether or not this was nuclear by now.(it is within the realm of possibilities that they gathered 6 thousand tons of explosives... but thats not too likely)

	12-09-2004 11:59									#34
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Nuclear reactor explosion?

	12-09-2004 12:00									#35
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My guess

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	12-09-2004 12:06									#36
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Hmm ... well, one would think that if it was a nudet, something official would've been announced by now. I mean, Thursday is ancient history in today's interconnected world. Then again, this *is* NK we're talking about.

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	12-09-2004 12:32									#37
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Still no fallout reported anywhere.

	12-09-2004 12:35									#38
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mayeb they developed a new type of bomb

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	12-09-2004 12:40									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 Still no fallout reported anywhere.

Sort of strange, in'it? I would imagine the media in Japan should be going apeshit long before now.

	12-09-2004 12:40									#40
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a "clean bomb"?

	12-09-2004 14:15									#41
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nye, nkorea's not that crowded, compared to the other countries of the area, except for russia.
however, they mention yanggang province, and that name doesn't ring a bell, seeing as the only provinces up north are the n&s hamgong, hwanghae, n&s p'yongan, and gangwon provinces...

i'm not sure where in nkorea this happened.

	12-09-2004 14:22									#42
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I was thinking there might be some remote areas in the North.

Does Kimhyungjik county ring a bell?

	12-09-2004 14:40									#43
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yeah, i read the article.

counties are smaller than provinces, at least if the translation is correct--meaning that if i don't recognize the province name, odds are that i wouldn't recognize the county.

	12-09-2004 14:45									#44
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thank god for wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryanggang

(the article explains why it's yanggang/ryanggang)

i've never heard of this province, but it's understandable because my geography of the north is fuzzy at best--i know where some of the big cities are, but that's about it. this area, iirc, is actually not too crowded.

	12-09-2004 14:48									#46
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quote: How is SK behavior explained? Is there an overwhelming desire to put unification over safety and well-being? Is the South government in league with the North? Sorry if I sound like I'm trolling. I ain't. But it just seems ignert to be so careless in approach with Kim.

they might not be worried because nkorea pulls wacky **** all the time. they're kinda used to it by now.

	12-09-2004 14:50									#47
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	12-09-2004 14:53									#48
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yes, kalius, i found that out before you posted it.

wikipedia is a fabulous thing.

	12-09-2004 14:58									#49
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quote: yes, kalius, i found that out before you posted it. wikipedia is a fabulous thing.

I know, you beat me to the punch

	12-09-2004 15:58									#50
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quote: Lord knows, this is proof positive that we were right to go into Iraq!

WTF does Iraq have to do with North Korea? The North Korean problem was already beyond solving by the time invading Iraq began to be seriously debated.

	12-09-2004 17:21									#51
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If this was a nuclear explosion then it would have been picked up by seismographs all over the world. There would be little doubt as to the nature of the explosion.

According to Yahoo news the Chinese have just offered aide to North Korea. Could Kim be extorting his only supporter? Smooth move Kim. Just wait until they send a Shaolin assassin after him.

	12-09-2004 17:59									#52
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A large cloud that appeared over North Korea in satellite images several days ago was not the result of a nuclear explosion, according to a U.S. official.

South Korea's Yonhap news agency is reporting a huge explosion shook North Korea's northernmost province on Thursday producing a mushroom cloud over 4 kilometers (two miles) wide.

The blast coincided with the anniversary of North Korea's founding on Sepember 9 when various military activities are staged.

The U.S. official said the cloud could be the result of a forest fire.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiap...last/index.html

	12-09-2004 18:00									#53
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I have the distinct feeling that someone on our side is lying to us.

	12-09-2004 18:05									#54
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Why would you think that? Forest fires explode into multi-kilometer mushroom clouds all the time.

	12-09-2004 18:42									#55
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Why would you think that? Forest fires explode into multi-kilometer mushroom clouds all the time.

Happened near my house one time. We were picking up **** for a week

	12-09-2004 19:44									#56
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http://www.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/20...12172813K4.html

Can anyone confirm that this is the translation? I don't have the Right character set to correctly display this:
"/begin my translation


North Korea: Two signs of explosions, on the night of 09/08, and the early morning of 09/09

A government source disclosed on Sept. 12 that two seismic activities were detected on the night of Sept. 8 and the early morning of Sept. 9, from the explosion at Kim Hyong-jik County, Yanggang Province, N. Korea.


According to the source, both S. Korean and Chinese earthquake monitoring stations picked up from Yanggang Province area of N. Korea, " seismic activities presumably related to two explosions, one at 11pm on 09/08, and the other at 1am on 09/09."


Earlier, another key government figure revealed, "The incident occurred on the night of 09/08. Our government(S. Korean gov.) noticed a sign of trouble on the early morning of 09/09. That is pretty close to what happened. Before the mushroom cloud was observed on the morning of 09/09, we detected another sign of trouble."


/end my translation
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	12-09-2004 20:32									#57
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quote: I have the distinct feeling that someone on our side is lying to us.

seeing as a lot of people think powell's lied before...

course, this is wapo, which is supposedly liberal schlock...

	12-09-2004 20:53									#58
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Wasn't Ryongyang the province where the rail station explosion happened?

Ryangyang? Yangyang? The same one?

	12-09-2004 21:27									#59
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If it's nuclear, wouldn't it have been confirmed by a dozen different university seismologists by now? It would be hard for the government to lie on something like this...

	12-09-2004 21:32									#60
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An explosion at a munitions factory or storage depot my produce a shock big enough to be detected by seismograph, and might set fires large enough to produce a 2 mile wide cloud.