19-09-2004 04:30									#1
	Will the US withdraw in shame from Iraq after the election. Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

I'm asking this not based on who wins the election, but just as a simple question.

It's quite evident that Iraq is a major liability in several respects and that dissent is growing (even among Bush supporters). Notwithstanding all the posturing about "going the distance" it seems to me that there will be a premature withdrawal with some fiction of an election held beforehand.

And if that happens, Osama Bin Laden will have won.

	19-09-2004 04:32									#2
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No matter how badly Iraq degrades between now and the next inauguration, No.

	19-09-2004 04:37									#3
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US stays in Iraq: Perceived as a dagger in the gut of the Islamic world.... OBL wins

US withdraws: US perceived as cowards, likely Iraq will be screwed up either way, blame (justifably) placed with the USA. OBL wins

After the election, I can imagine whoever wins the US forces coming home embarrassed 3-5 years from now, in part due to public pressure at home and in part due to the hopeless situation in Iraq.

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	19-09-2004 04:37									#4
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Of course not.

If they withdraw at all (which they won't) they'll pretend that they've actually won and this was the plan all along, then they'll stick their fingers in their ears and keep going "LaLaLaLaLa!" until all the other countries shut up.

	19-09-2004 04:39									#5
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Heresson got to you too?

	19-09-2004 04:40									#6
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Let me say that I only posted this thread because conservative columnist Bob Novak said that he thought this would happen (and then tried to obfuscate) on CNN about 15 minutes ago.

Oh and @ FP

	19-09-2004 04:41									#7
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Oh and by "Banana Republic" I didn't mean the clothing store (for historically challenged Apolytoners).

	19-09-2004 04:52									#8
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No matter how we withraw or when you and your ilke will call it "shamefull."

If we were to withdraw right now nobody in the military would be embarrasses. The only people who would be are those who having nothing do do with any of it, namely the leftest population of apolyton.

I frankly don't care if you think we should be embarrased.

	19-09-2004 04:54									#9
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What, namely, is our ilk?

	19-09-2004 04:58									#10
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I think it's something like this...

	19-09-2004 05:00									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos No matter how we withraw or when you and your ilke will call it "shamefull."

P is always whining at Q. Therefore Q is right. OMG do we realize that the power of truth had been arbitrarily lying in P for all that time!

	19-09-2004 05:02									#12
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We will be forced out of Iraq when the whole country goes into civil war.

	19-09-2004 05:11									#13
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Withdrawing from Iraq would be one of the most short-sighted, populistic and simply dumb things and can be made. I hope Kerry won't do it, and from what I remember, He didn't claim He will (if He wins of course)

	19-09-2004 05:14									#14
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I don't think Bush will leave Iraq.

Case closed.

	19-09-2004 05:16									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Withdrawing from Iraq would be one of the most short-sighted, populistic and simply dumb things and can be made. I hope Kerry won't do it, and from what I remember, He didn't claim He will (if He wins of course)

Kerry is God?

	19-09-2004 05:18									#16
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In that case we should spell his name "Jhn Krry" so he doesn't smite us.

	19-09-2004 05:23									#17
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I like our ilk.

	19-09-2004 05:25									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Kerry is God?

	19-09-2004 05:26									#19
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He was making a joke at the fact that you would capitalize 'he' in your sentences. Example: "He didn't claim He will (if He wins of course)"

In English, when one says 'He' instead of 'he' in the middle of a sentence, it usually means you are referring to God.

	19-09-2004 05:28									#20
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I thought so, but He (Kuciwalker) may have already noticed that I use a capital letter when I'm refering to any person at all

	19-09-2004 05:30									#21
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quote: P is always whining at Q. Therefore Q is right. OMG do we realized that the power of truth had been arbitrarily lying in P for all that time!

Well, to be fair, I'm ALWAYS right.

	19-09-2004 05:32									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson

You consistantly capitalised "He" and "Him" and "His".

	19-09-2004 06:13									#23
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US will be tied up in Iraq for a generation or two (unless Hillary Clinton wins in 2008). Bring more body bags. Staying is a clusterf*** and leaving will only make things worse. As we told you, the invasion was a bad idea, and now is time to pay for the stupidity, in blood and dollars.

	19-09-2004 06:23									#24
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The nice thing about these kinds of topics is that they are purely hypothetical and will obviously stay that way since Bush is going to win. Long live Bush.

	19-09-2004 06:47									#25
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The US will stay after the election.

NOT ONLY THAT, the military will be even more effective at battling the insurgents because the political considerations won't be there so much since it's not an election year.

	19-09-2004 06:51									#26
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quote: Originally posted by MalevolentLight The nice thing about these kinds of topics is that they are purely hypothetical and will obviously stay that way since Bush is going to win. Long live Bush.

Not if enough people like you realize they are actually Clinton liberals.

	19-09-2004 06:56									#27
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Our election or theirs? Kerry says that Bush is planning to increase the number of troops in Iraq after our election. The Pentagon says it's just a planned rotation.

	19-09-2004 06:57									#28
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Both elections.

*Polishes his jewelled gloating shorts.

	19-09-2004 07:42									#29
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Probably some face saving BS declaration of victory before the withdrawl if it happens, don't think there's going to be the helicopters taking the last people out of the embassy in last minute panic this time around.

	19-09-2004 09:28									#30
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Unfortunatley we are eternally tied to Iraq for the next 50 years, whether we want to withdraw or not, it's not an option.