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Pax
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Originally posted by Ned
I haven't read all the posts in this thread, but I have two comments:
1) Saddam was funding the Muslim Brotherhood and al Qaida through the oil-for-food program. A detailed breakdown on how this was done was reported Sunday by FOXNews.
2) Kerry's Iraq "plan" is virtually identical to what Bush is and has been doing. So much for Kerry's demand for a "change" in course.
3) Kerry has no idea on how to defeat terrorism. Bush does. Kerry will use America's power -- without much more. Bush will bring democracy and hope to the Muslim world. |
Kerry could have the same plan and get more support from the Iraqi people and the international community based on Iraqi/international opinion and receptiveness of Bush vs there opinion and receptiveness of Kerry. It's quite likely that a change in the face of america would garner more support. Sometimes it's not the plan but how it's sold and implemented that makes the biggest difference.
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:22
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Originally posted by aaglo
You can't make an omlette without ending up with some 20000 dead Iraqi's?
Now, Saddam Hussein is captured. Now what? USA tries to forcefeed 'democracy and hope' to the Iraqi people? The last year indicates, that they aren't doing very good job, so there must be something wrong. But what? Maybe they don't want democracy - at least the kind of democracy USA is offering them.
And what's this talk about "western world versus muslim world"? That does not compute: west is a word for direction, and muslim is a word for religious 'alignment'. The correct term should be 'christian world vs muslim world' (and perhaps the word world after the christians should be replaced with USA-and-it's-allies-minus-some-muslim-countries').
@Ned:
You mentioned the oil-for-food program & Iraq - Al-Qaeda connections in FoxNews. I think that's pretty far-fetched from Fox trying to link them together. USA&Iraq and USA&Al-Qaeda has considerable common history. There would be a much better link between Iraq and Al-Qaeda if you just put USA in between them.  |
I just love it when Kerry supporters say that the only solution to the problems of terror is to SUPPORT ruthless, mass murdering, raping, torturing DICTATORS, who of course, are better for their people than any democracy.
FASCIST NAZI
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Originally posted by Giancarlo
You and I know that's bull. He's the biggest blunder of a politican I have ever seen. Single handledly collapsed his campaign with his abhorrent flip-flopping. He said he was against the war now. That's a flip-flop. He said he wouldn't of gone to war. It is being managed the best way possible considering the circumstances.
What is incompetent about how the Bush adminstration is handling things? Please name some things. And start by presenting an alternate plan. You leftists are so full of yourself... you scream your lungs out about how wrong and incompetent the Bush adminstration is but you can't come up with an alternate plan even if you tried.
No, Ramo, you are dead wrong. The speech doesn't highlight anything incompetent about the bush adminstration.. rather it highlights the idiocy and stupidity of Kerry and his idiotic statements that mean nothing. |
1. The situation in Iraq would have been better if we were not in Iraq. 0 american casualties, 0 american torture, and 0 heads chopped off.
2. Now, the idea of staying the course when the course is the wrong way to go is not one to be applauded. It would be a smart idea to let someone else drive.
3. We are judging Kerry on his ability to get us out of a situation some one else got us into. Between the guy who got us into the mess and the guy who did not who is the most qualified to get us out of it. Common sense would tell you not to let the guy who wrecks your car keep driving it.
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They seem to be hoping a lot nowadays.
Hoping we all DIE!!
If Bush knows how to defeat terrorism what is he waiting for?
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MalevolentLight
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High Above
Jul 1999
time: 00:22
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mindseye what would happen if you talked bad of China right now and called for the removal of the Communist regime?
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Ramo
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Austin, Texas, USA
Oct 1999
time: 23:22
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If America were Iraq, What would it be Like?
President Bush said Tuesday that the Iraqis are refuting the pessimists and implied that things are improving in that country.
What would America look like if it were in Iraq's current situation? The population of the US is over 11 times that of Iraq, so a lot of statistics would have to be multiplied by that number.
Thus, violence killed 300 Iraqis last week, the equivalent proportionately of 3,300 Americans. What if 3,300 Americans had died in car bombings, grenade and rocket attacks, machine gun spray, and aerial bombardment in the last week? That is a number greater than the deaths on September 11, and if America were Iraq, it would be an ongoing, weekly or monthly toll.
And what if those deaths occurred all over the country, including in the capital of Washington, DC, but mainly above the Mason Dixon line, in Boston, Minneapolis, Salt Lake City, and San Francisco?
What if the grounds of the White House and the government buildings near the Mall were constantly taking mortar fire? What if almost nobody in the State Department at Foggy Bottom, the White House, or the Pentagon dared venture out of their buildings, and considered it dangerous to go over to Crystal City or Alexandria?
What if all the reporters for all the major television and print media were trapped in five-star hotels in Washington, DC and New York, unable to move more than a few blocks safely, and dependent on stringers to know what was happening in Oklahoma City and St. Louis? What if the only time they ventured into the Midwest was if they could be embedded in Army or National Guard units?
There are estimated to be some 25,000 guerrillas in Iraq engaged in concerted acts of violence. What if there were private armies totalling 275,000 men, armed with machine guns, assault rifles (legal again!), rocket-propelled grenades, and mortar launchers, hiding out in dangerous urban areas of cities all over the country? What if they completely controlled Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas, Denver and Omaha, such that local police and Federal troops could not go into those cities?
What if, during the past year, the Secretary of State (Aqilah Hashemi), the President (Izzedine Salim), and the Attorney General (Muhammad Baqir al-Hakim) had all been assassinated?
What if all the cities in the US were wracked by a crime wave, with thousands of murders, kidnappings, burglaries, and carjackings in every major city every year?
What if the Air Force routinely (I mean daily or weekly) bombed Billings, Montana, Flint, Michigan, Watts in Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Anacostia in Washington, DC, and other urban areas, attempting to target "safe houses" of "criminal gangs", but inevitably killing a lot of children and little old ladies?
What if, from time to time, the US Army besieged Virginia Beach, killing hundreds of armed members of the Christian Soldiers? What if entire platoons of the Christian Soldiers militia holed up in Arlington National Cemetery, and were bombarded by US Air Force warplanes daily, destroying thousands of graves and even pulverizing the Vietnam Memorial over on the Mall? What if the National Council of Churches had to call for a popular march of thousands of believers to converge on the National Cathedral to stop the US Army from demolishing it to get at a rogue band of the Timothy McVeigh Memorial Brigades?
What if there were virtually no commercial air traffic in the country? What if many roads were highly dangerous, especially Interstate 95 from Richmond to Washington, DC, and I-95 and I-91 up to Boston? If you got on I-95 anywhere along that over 500-mile stretch, you would risk being carjacked, kidnapped, or having your car sprayed with machine gun fire.
What if no one had electricity for much more than 10 hours a day, and often less? What if it went off at unpredictable times, causing factories to grind to a halt and air conditioning to fail in the middle of the summer in Houston and Miami? What if the Alaska pipeline were bombed and disabled at least monthly? What if unemployment hovered around 40%?
What if veterans of militia actions at Ruby Ridge and the Oklahoma City bombing were brought in to run the government on the theory that you need a tough guy in these times of crisis?
What if municipal elections were cancelled and cliques close to the new "president" quietly installed in the statehouses as "governors?" What if several of these governors (especially of Montana and Wyoming) were assassinated soon after taking office or resigned when their children were taken hostage by guerrillas?
What if the leader of the European Union maintained that the citizens of the United States are, under these conditions, refuting pessimism and that freedom and democracy are just around the corner? |
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MalevolentLight
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High Above
Jul 1999
time: 00:22
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Yes I am so ignorant to have not read every post by Mindseye. I will get on it right away and read through all the posts on here. And while I'm at it I'll make a very large dictionary of quotes from you showing your extreme conservatism. All conservatives support kerry.
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MalevolentLight
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High Above
Jul 1999
time: 00:22
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I'm glad you admit you are ignorant . Let's see, making a claim about something while admiting you haven't read posts dealing with the issue.... hmmm... yeah, sounds like a clear cut case of ignorant behavior. |
I believe what you're referring to was a question my libertarian friend. But hey I can understand how you might be confused being that you are also confused about your political identity.
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Does anyone really believe this BS?
Does anyone really believe that Bush is going to bring democracy to places like in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Pakistan. |
Well at least someone's trying. Can't say as much for Europe now can we?
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Ted Striker
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United States of America
Jan 1970
time: 21:22
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We kept the Soviets off your back so STFU
Last edited by Ted Striker on 23-09-2004 at 10:05
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22-09-2004 23:42
. Let's see, making a claim about something while admiting you haven't read posts dealing with the issue.... hmmm... yeah, sounds like a clear cut case of ignorant behavior.
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