23-09-2004 23:12									#1
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Watched Penn and Teller's:Bullshit last night about PETA.

They claim that animals shouldn't be caged, killed, eaten, tested on or owned as pets.

They equate this with the slavery of the black man.

Example from PETA Website:

quote: “What's wrong with factory farms or fur farms Aren't animals worse off in the wild, where they die of starvation, disease, or predation? At least the animals on factory farms and fur farms are fed and protected.” A similar argument was used to support the claim that black people were better off as slaves on plantations than as free men and women. The same could also be said of people in prison, yet prison is considered to be one of society’s harshest punishments. Animals on factory farms suffer so much that it is inconceivable that they could be worse off in the wild. The wild isn’t “wild” to the animals who live there—it’s their home. There, they have their freedom and can engage in their natural activities. The fact that they might suffer in the wild is no reason to ensure that they suffer in captivity.

So basically, they are saying if the black man or woman has rights why don't animals?

	23-09-2004 23:34									#2
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No, because they attack it on two fronts: the first is that you wouldn't say slavery is okay if it meant that the slaves had a better quality of life as a result, and the second is that even if you reject that comparison, it doesn't matter because the quality of life of animals on factory farms is far worse than in the wild.

You have failed to make PETA look like fools: few people manage this.

	23-09-2004 23:34									#3
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some of those peta nuts have pets.

oh, i mean, "animal companions".

	23-09-2004 23:37									#4
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I adopted a lab from a rescue organization after his original owner gave him up.

I am an evil slaveowner. Shame on me.

-Arrian

	23-09-2004 23:39									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Gibsie No, because they attack it on two fronts: the first is that you wouldn't say slavery is okay if it meant that the slaves had a better quality of life as a result, and the second is that even if you reject that comparison, it doesn't matter because the quality of life of animals on factory farms is far worse than in the wild. You have failed to make PETA look like fools: few people manage this.

Okay, how about the fact that they protest animal shelters for killing animals.

But, they themselves put animals to sleep.

In 1995 they spent almost 7000 dollars for a freezer. ~16X10.

Which has 2 uses, meat storage or cadaver storage.

In that year they put to sleep 1200 animals.

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	23-09-2004 23:40									#6
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It's a thorny philosophical point. I am not really prepared to take sides on this. Hmm.

	23-09-2004 23:41									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Gibsie No, because they attack it on two fronts: the first is that you wouldn't say slavery is okay if it meant that the slaves had a better quality of life as a result, and the second is that even if you reject that comparison, it doesn't matter because the quality of life of animals on factory farms is far worse than in the wild. You have failed to make PETA look like fools: few people manage this.

Free all those animals, give them the same rights as humans.

When they start killing each other (which animals do), we then arrest them since they have committed murder) and, guess what, put them in cages, or execute them.

That will work.

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	23-09-2004 23:42									#8
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Ok so when cats, dogs and cows die because we dont' eat them or own them as pets.. what do we do? Make a place for them to live and bring them food?

	23-09-2004 23:45									#9
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The vice president of PETA is a diabetic that wants animal testing to stop.

But, she sure is thankful that animal testing saved her life since Insulin is a direct result of animal testing.

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	23-09-2004 23:48									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Gibsie No, because they attack it on two fronts: the first is that you wouldn't say slavery is okay if it meant that the slaves had a better quality of life as a result, and the second is that even if you reject that comparison, it doesn't matter because the quality of life of animals on factory farms is far worse than in the wild. You have failed to make PETA look like fools: few people manage this.

So why make an argument that doesn't matter?

I'm looking for a term for this..........

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	23-09-2004 23:48									#11
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Okay, you're doing better now.

quote: Originally posted by Pekka Ok so when cats, dogs and cows die because we dont' eat them or own them as pets.. what do we do? Make a place for them to live and bring them food?

That would just be the natual result of natural selection, so they wouldn't really mind. Hundreds of millions of animals already starve to death every year, PETA would probably treat them the same as they treat the current casualties.

	23-09-2004 23:51									#12
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Jesus Christ man, you don't need to respond to my first post three separate times! :whoa:

They make the redundant initial argument in the part you quote to appealto people who think that if animals were better off in farms than in the wild (And some animals certainly are) it's still wrong to them.

	23-09-2004 23:51									#13
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By euthanizing them?

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	23-09-2004 23:53									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Gibsie Jesus Christ man, you don't need to respond to my first post three separate times! :whoa: They make the redundant initial argument in the part you quote to appealto people who think that if animals were better off in farms than in the wild (And some animals certainly are) it's still wrong to them.

Wrong to who? PETA? Then they shouldn't own animals.

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	23-09-2004 23:53									#15
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quote: PETA is filled with idiots

And my colon is filled with ****. What else is new?

	23-09-2004 23:54									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Combat Ingrid And my colon is filled with ****. What else is new?

Unfortunately, we can't sit on a toilet and get rid of PETA.......

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	23-09-2004 23:55									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Gibsie Okay, you're doing better now. That would just be the natual result of natural selection, so they wouldn't really mind. Hundreds of millions of animals already starve to death every year, PETA would probably treat them the same as they treat the current casualties.

How do you know nature isn't just as evil as we are?

	23-09-2004 23:57									#18
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We're animals too! So why isn't what we do "natural?"



What about hunting? Does PETA allow us to hunt, or is that reserved for wolves, etc? If yes, are we limited in our choice of weapons?

-Arrian

	24-09-2004 00:01									#19
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Everyone: Please take your arguments and semantics up with actual members of PETA.

That stuff about the PETA VP who uses insulin with animal products in it was interesting though, so I looked it up a bit closer. I shouldn't really be surprised at the hypocrisy though.

	24-09-2004 00:08									#20
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Since I don't know any members of PETA, I will just join in the pile-on thread here at 'poly. It's relaxing.

-Arrian

	24-09-2004 00:11									#21
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i love pita.

i hate peta.

	24-09-2004 00:11									#22
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pita

PitA

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-Arrian

	24-09-2004 00:12									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Gibsie Everyone: Please take your arguments and semantics up with actual members of PETA. That stuff about the PETA VP who uses insulin with animal products in it was interesting though, so I looked it up a bit closer. I shouldn't really be surprised at the hypocrisy though.

Do not rush to their defense if you do not support their views.

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q cubed, and you LUUUVs Pekka!

Right, so if the animals that can't survive in the wild are seen as natural casualties, then why aren't animal our natural casualties?

	24-09-2004 00:16									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Gibsie Everyone: Please take your arguments and semantics up with actual members of PETA. That stuff about the PETA VP who uses insulin with animal products in it was interesting though, so I looked it up a bit closer. I shouldn't really be surprised at the hypocrisy though.

Well, if there were PETA members here I would.

I'd say you were their sacraficial lamb, but PETA wouldn't allow a lamb to be harmed.



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	24-09-2004 00:24									#26
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Because we hunt with tools. If we'd run after a gazelle, and rip it's throat open to kill it, then rip chunks of meat from the carcas to eat it...

No problem for PETA.

One can't hunt potatoes... And look sane, speaking from experience.

	24-09-2004 00:25									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Geronimo Do not rush to their defense if you do not support their views.

There is a difference between rushing to someone's defense and saying someone is doing a poor job of exposing a certain group as being a bunch of loons. The opening post of Tuberski's did not provide a good enough reason to laugh at PETA (Subsequent posts did). The fact that they mentioned slaves and animals in the same thread of though does not make "Hurr hurr they think black people are animals" a logical extension of the quote he posted. I would be rolling my eyes at attempting to mock them with as pathetic a gag as "carrots have feelings too".

Also: I would prefer if you didn't tell me what to do as it makes me think you're a complete nobend. And I don't like thinking my fellow posters are nobends.

Double also: apologies for creating the cross-post

	24-09-2004 00:26									#28
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[National Geographic voiceover] Watch as the human stalks his prey, skillfully using its paws to dig through the moist earth to get at this tasty treat. Yum![/National Geographic voiceover]



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	24-09-2004 00:27									#29
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Tattila, correct, but our weapon of choice is the brains. Because we are smarter than other animals, that's the reason we have more power and are at the top of the food chain. Why wouldn't that considered to be natural?

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Besides, Chimps use tools to hunt. They will fashion stick-tools to get at small insects and stuff like that.

Not quite on par with high powered rifles, but hey...

-Arrian