07-10-2004 22:47									#91
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If you let us know in advance that you will be late with orders, we will wait, but no that does not mean you get extra time, you'll only get it if you specifically ask for it and have a good reason.

	08-10-2004 01:43									#92
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how so smiley?

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personally I LOVE city/empire names

	08-10-2004 03:26									#93
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Sorry guys, ran out of time today. People are expecting me to work around here and processing the turns in this game....well maybe we need 24 hours for orders and 24 hours for processing.

	08-10-2004 19:28									#94
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Turn 5: "It's turning into World War III"

We had the normal city building and some of the empires became more technologically advanced. The chart and the map pretty much say it all.

Trade:
(4)Muxec to Whoha - 64
(4)Whoha to Dark Cloud - 64
(3)Smiley to Muxec - 48
(3)Ljube-ljcvetko to Vlad Antlerkov - 27
(4)Sparrowhawk to Jonny - 64
(4)Dark Cloud to Whoha - 64

Wonder Building
Young Sparrowhawk got his Jihad on. Apparently, no one is interested in the Silk Road or the Mafia at this point.

Gifts
Whoha gives DC 10 freshly minted armies.
Vlad Antlerkov gives Architecture and Geography to Ljube-ljcvetko.
Young Sparrowhawk shows Jonny the ways of Geography and Religion.
Dark Cloud gives Espionage to Whoha.

Wars
"The Saga Continues"

The Dark Cloud/Ljube-ljcvetko war rages on. This time Ljube-ljcvetko counterattacks with 32 (tech 5) armies and Dark Cloud stays home to defend with his 10 (tech 7) armies. Wow, I'm even surprised when I did the math.
Dark Cloud makes a successful defence of his cities and Ljube-ljcvetko lost two armies in the attack.

Sneaky young Sparrowhawk uses his newfound powers of Jihad and 16 (tech 6) to attack Whoha's 1 (tech 7) army and managed to take only one of his cities. Both Sparrowhawk and Whoha lose one army each.

This shows that not only do you need a large army to attack, but having a technological edge also helps. Especially for the defender since his technology is in the formula twice.

Governments:
Are now shown on the chart.
Jonny revolted to Monarchy

Wonders:
Gambecube64 - G11 - Tower of Babel
Smiley - K2 - Colosseum
Vlad Antlerkov - K11 - Trojan Horse
Gamecube64 - G10 - Acropolis
Sparrowhawk - B6 - Jihad

Tech prices:
Religion (tech 6) is now 14 gold
Espionage (tech 7) is now 35 gold
Industrialization (tech 8) is still 84 gold.
Representative Government is still 136 gold.
Mass Education is still 220 gold.

Wars
Dark Cloud versus Ljube-ljcvetko
Sparrowhawk versus Whoha

Misc.
A number of empires have now discovered espionage. Their spys will be available next turn, that is, the turn after you dicover the tech or build the wonder.

Also to note that this is a very difficult game to process.

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	08-10-2004 20:51									#95
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Sent. I won't be online until Sunday evening.

	08-10-2004 20:54									#96
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Sent.

	08-10-2004 22:59									#97
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I'd like to process Sun night. I'll be in training classes all next week, so it might be tough for me to do it.

	09-10-2004 05:34									#98
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Quite a few wars already... The greater number of players is good, it allows for things to get interesting without becoming unbalancing.

I suspect the next innovation might be allied wars... do we have something worked out for how those will go?

	09-10-2004 09:01									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Spaced Cowboy Wars "The Saga Continues" Sneaky young Sparrowhawk uses his newfound powers of Jihad and 16 (tech 5) to attack Whoha's 1 (tech 7) army and managed to take only one of his cities. Both Sparrowhawk and Whoha lose one army each. This shows that not only do you need a large army to attack, but having a technological edge also helps. Especially for the defender since his technology is in the formula twice.

Not sure how much difference it would make, but my tech was actually at 6, not 5 (as correctly stated in your table). But wow!! 16 armies versus 1 and I only took one city and we both lost one army!! I should have checked the math before attacking I guess!

* Sparrowhawk

	09-10-2004 11:37									#100
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Good generals study tactics. Great generals study logistics. Glorius generals study mathematics.

	09-10-2004 19:26									#101
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Sent mine earlier.

	09-10-2004 20:12									#102
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Okay, edited my post to reflect Sparrowhawk's tech level...almost changed the cities taken. The round down still got you though.

Also added 64 gold to Whoha to reflect DC's caravans which I missed somehow.

I'm finding the cooperation in this game refreshing.

	09-10-2004 21:47									#103
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I picture the battle between Whoha and my armies in my head....

A collosal battle occured today between the massed forces of Sparrowhawk and the 16 divisions he sent against Whoha's 1 division which was spread thinly through his 7 cities. General Whoha smartly brought his army together to defend the front, and they all valiantly battled the inferior forces of Sparrowhawk. In the end, the greater numbers of Sparrowhawk won out, taking the city where the Evil forces were massed, and destroying all the defending army, losing an army of their own in the process. The battle so drained the armies of Sparrowhawk that they were unable to continue to attack the remaining 6 undefended cities of Whoha and had to stop their conquest at 1 lone city.

Laggards. Might have to find a new general to spur the troops on after defeating their enemies in the future.

* Sparrowhawk

	09-10-2004 23:19									#104
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quote: I suspect the next innovation might be allied wars... do we have something worked out for how those will go?

I think we've had that before

All the cooperation is interesting indeed.

thanks for the clarifying email Spaced Cowboy

-DC

	10-10-2004 01:11									#105
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sent.

	10-10-2004 08:10									#106
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Miscal'd Sparrow's gold...corrected!

	10-10-2004 08:22									#107
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Wow, this game is very cool!

	10-10-2004 21:05									#108
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Just missing orders from Jonny

	10-10-2004 23:31									#109
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I think you were missing them from me too, but with the exchange of PM's between us lately, you probably thought one of them contained my orders

They are now in

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	10-10-2004 23:46									#110
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Orders in.

	11-10-2004 07:15									#111
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Okay eveybody is in, but ran out of time tonight and I'm in training all next week so the updates might be a little slow for a bit, sorry.

I wasn't expecting to have to do this training but my boss thought otherwise.

	11-10-2004 16:12									#112
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Well, hopefully at least the training isn't boring.

	11-10-2004 18:50									#113
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It is! Database query tools. Yuch!

	11-10-2004 22:49									#114
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LOL, I took Access training last week (and I enjoyed it ).

	12-10-2004 00:38									#115
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This one is called cognos and it is made by some Canadian firm, yetch!

	12-10-2004 00:55									#116
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Never heard of it, but if it is Canadian it must be top rate

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	12-10-2004 06:28									#117
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good news...no training tomorrow, so I should be able to update, sorry for the delay.

	13-10-2004 05:45									#118
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Again sorry for the delay...people kept coming into my office wanting suff....will get it done tomorrow.

	13-10-2004 19:27									#119
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Turn 6: "An Era of Cooperation and err...WAR!"

We had the normal city building and some of the empires became more technologically advanced. The chart and the map pretty much say it all.

Trade:
7 Caravans from Muxec[7D] to Whoha[7D] - 343
7 Caravans from Whoha[7D] to Dark Cloud[7D] - 343
5 Caravans from Smiley[5M] to Dark Cloud[7D] - 175
5 Caravans from Ljube-ljcvetko[5D] to Vlad Antlerkov[5D] - 125
5 Caravans from Vlad Antlerkov[5D] to Ljube-ljcvetko[5D] - 125
0 Caravans from Gamecube64[5R] to ??? - 0
4 Caravans from Jonny[6M] to Sparrowhawk[6M] - 216
2 Caravans from Jonny[6M] to Dark Cloud[7D] - 84
6 Caravans from Sparrowhawk[6M] to Jonny[6M] - 324
7 Caravans from Dark Cloud[7D] to Whoha[7D] - 343

Wonder Building
Ljube-ljcvetko balances guns and butter by building the silk road at location K6.
Smiley was busy building the Trans-Siberian Railroad but he ran out of supplies before he was finished because Dark Cloud paid more for then on the contruction of his version in (oh let's say) F6
Young Wonderboy Sparrowhawk gets his National Rifle Association on; all up in this here piece at A7.

Espionage
A spy from Vlad Antlerkov was killed in Gamecube64's military recruitment building which was empty this week.
A spy from Dark Cloud was killed leaving Ljube-ljcvetko's military recruitment building. The building then blew up taking out all of Ljube-ljcvetko's new recruits for this turn.

Gifts
Whoha gives Dark Cloud 14 freshly minted armies.
Ljube-ljcvetko gives Religion and Espionage to Vlad Antlerkov.
Jonny sends 30 armies to the Hills of Sparrowhawk.
Young Sparrowhawk shows Jonny the ways of Espionage, Industrialization, and Representative Government.

Wars
"The Saga Continues, Part Deux"

The Dark Cloud/Ljube-ljcvetko war contiues to rage on. This time both Ljube-ljcvetko and Dark Cloud attack with 30 (tech 7) and 43 (tech 8) armies repectively. Dark Cloud pawnz Ljube-ljcvetko's meager force and takes 16 of his armies on to try to grab some land.
Dark Cloud manages to successfully add two of Ljube-ljcvetko's cities to his domain, and Dark Cloud loses no further armies in the attack.

Sparrowhawk's 60 (tech 9) armies continue to attack Whoha's 40 (tech 8) armies; however, Whoha had the upper hand and successfully defended his cities. Sparrowhawk loses 5 armies, and Whoha loses 6 armies.

We have another unsettling issue to deal with as Vlad Antlerkov decided he did not like Gamecube64 anymore. He send 63 (tech 7) armies over the border to attack Gamecube's 21 (tech 8) defenders. It is an overwhelming victory but due to sneak attack restrictions, he is only able to occupy one of the 4 cities that he would have otherwise captured.
Vlad loses 3 armies and Gamecube64 loses 2 armies.

Governments:
Are now shown on the chart.
No one revolted this turn.

Wonders:
Gambecube64 - G11 - Tower of Babel
Smiley - K2 - Colosseum
Vlad Antlerkov - K11 - Trojan Horse
Gamecube64 - G10 - Acropolis
Sparrowhawk - B6 - Jihad
Ljube-ljcvetko - K6 - Silk Road.
Dark Cloud - F6 - Trans-Siberian Railroad.
Sparrowhawk - A7 - National Rifle Association.

Tech prices:
Industrialization (tech 8) is now 19 gold.
Representative Government (tech 9) is now 91 gold.

Mass Education (tech 10) is still 220 gold.
Nuclear Fission (tech 11) is still 356 gold.
Miniaturization (tech 12) is still 576 gold.
Space Flight (tech 13) is still 932 gold.
The Laser (tech 14) is still 1508 gold.


Wars
Dark Cloud versus Ljube-ljcvetko
Sparrowhawk versus Whoha
Vlad Antlerkov versus Gamecube64

Misc.
All empires have now discovered espionage. Their spys will be available next turn, that is, the turn after you discover the tech or build the wonder.

I've added a count in parenthesis next to the total number of cities. These are cities that do not count towards your gold production due to recent captures or governmental limitations.

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	13-10-2004 20:10									#120
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great update!

I'm working on my orders

But for now, a look at the races and leaders... Civ-style!

Wonder Race
Gamecube, Sparrowhawk - 2
DarkCloud, Ljube-Ljcvetko, Smiley, Vlad - 1

City Race (ICS)
Smiley - 18
Jonny - 12
DarkCloud - 10

Tech Race
Jonny, Sparrowhawk, Muxec - 9
DarkCloud, Gamecube64, Smiley, Whoha- 8

Military Might
Vlad Antlerkov- 60
Sparrowhawk- 55
Jonny- 50

Gold
Jonny- 1130
Whoha- 1047
DarkCloud -875

PowerGraph
(based on #'s of 1st,2nd,3rd places on lists)

1. Jonny 9
2. Sparrowhawk 8
3. Smiley 7
4. DarkCloud 6
5. Gamecube 5
6. Vlad 5
7. Whoha 4
8. Muxec 3
9. Ljube 2