18-10-2004 19:20									#151
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Bump,

Actually have DC's orders, he was able to access a pc.

Still missing orders from Sparrowhawk, Jonny, and Vlad Antlerkov.

Hopefully, these will be in by tonight and I'll process tomorrow.

	19-10-2004 01:32									#152
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Orders sent, with a question.

	19-10-2004 04:02									#153
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Orders sent.

	19-10-2004 04:58									#154
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sorry about the cities mistake. I revised my orders accordingly

dang- that's a lot of trade income in that case then.

don't worry about the math too much spaced- I'm working on getting a program to auto-calculate this stuff all I'll have to enter is people's info and then it'll calculate... in essence we'll have created a new computer game!

also still wondering- I thought that gifting gold was illegal?

	19-10-2004 06:06									#155
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Gifting gold is not defined in the rules. I'm going to say that you can do it.

	19-10-2004 06:46									#156
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Not used to getting my orders in last........but they are now in

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	19-10-2004 07:09									#157
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Hmm, strange it wasn't defined as a yes or a no. It's city-gifting that causes gamebreaking problems anyway, and gold-gifts are among the most realistic sort of foreign aid anyway.

	19-10-2004 19:28									#158
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of course now you say that smiley I'd been hesitant about giving gold in the past because of that corollary.

well... it's good to know that we can do it now... anyways

	19-10-2004 19:42									#159
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Good that we get this one brought up and addressed without the cause being consequential. Anyone else have comments?

	19-10-2004 22:26									#160
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I think that gifting gold seems logical, especially as in the sequence Foreign Aid is near the end and the gold wouldn't be of use until the following turn anyway.

I do see Foreign Aid in general as being a potential problem however, as it has a potential for ?abuse? (or is it abuse to take advantage of it or a realistic and positive aspect of the game of Society??).

Spaced has commented (correctly in my opinion) that the co-operation in this game is refreshing. Smiley has commented that his goal in creating this game was to have a game where people had to work together towards a common goal.

It seems that Foreign Aid (and trade) are both geared towards Alliances and Assistance, but is there the potential to exploit this to the point of ruining a game?

* Sparrowhawk , musing

	20-10-2004 00:32									#161
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Turn 7: "Weapons of Mass Destruction"

My apologies on the chart from last turn. It has Sparrowhawk at tech 11 when he was only at tech 9. Only Jonny was affected (orders wise), so he ended up building less armies than expected.

Trade:
9 Caravans from Muxec[9R] to Whoha[11D] - 891
11 Caravans from Whoha[11D] to Dark Cloud[11R] - 1331
10 Caravans from Vlad Antlerkov[10R] to Whoha[11D] - 1100
8 Caravans from Jonny[11M] to Sparrowhawk[9M] - 1188
3 Caravans from Jonny[11M] to Muxec[9R] - 594
9 Caravans from Sparrowhawk[9M] to Jonny[11M] - 1336
11 Caravans from Dark Cloud[11R] to Whoha[11D] - 1331
NOTE: I am not rounding up fractional gold due to goverment bonuses. Please plan accordingly

Wonder Building
Apparently Jonny is content to try to build the rest of the wonders as he builds NASCAR in A12, the KGB in A10, and Majestic-12 Program in C12.

Espionage
Whoha sends three spies to sabotage Sparrowhawk's army recruitment.
Jonny's spy interupts Vlad Antlerkov's army recruitment.
Sparrowhawk's spy defends his army production.
Dark Cloud's spy sabotages Sparrowhawk's army recruitment.

According to the new rule, one of Whoha's spies is captured by Sparrowhawk's spy, but the other gets through and blows up his newly recruited army.

Gifts
Whoha gives Dark Cloud 100 armies.
Jonny shows Sparrowhawk the ways of Mass Education (tech 10), Nuclear Fission (tech 11), and Miniaturization (tech 12).

Battles

Sparrowhawk sends a meager army 92 (tech 12) to continue his attack on Whoha 200 (tech 11) defenders.
Sparrowhawk loses 18 armies and Whoha loses none.

Jonny's army 150 (tech 13) turns its attention to his other neighbor Vlad Antlerkov 126 (tech 10) armies. His sneak attack takes the adjacent cities in F9, F10, E10, and G11.
Jonny loses 8 armies, and Vlad loses 50 armies.

Governments:
Smiley is now a Republic.
Vlad Antlerkov is now a Republic.

Wonders:
Vlad Anterkov (Gambecube64) - G11 - Tower of Babel.
Smiley - K2 - Colosseum.
Vlad Antlerkov - K11 - Trojan Horse.
Vlad Anterkov (Gamecube64) - G10 - Acropolis.
Whoha (Sparrowhawk) - B6 - Jihad.
Dark Cloud (Ljube-ljcvetko) - K6 - Silk Road.
Sparrowhawk (Dark Cloud) - F6 - Trans-Siberian Railroad.
Whoha (Sparrowhawk) - A7 - National Rifle Association.
Whoha (Sparrowhawk) - B7 - Mafia.
Jonny - B11 - University of California.
Jonny - A12 - NASCAR.
Jonny - A10 - The KGB.
Jonny - C12 - The Majestic-12 Program.

Tech prices:
Nuclear Fission (tech 11) is now 102 gold.
Miniaturization (tech 12) is now 329 gold.
Space Flight (tech 13) is now 799 gold.

The Laser (tech 14) is still 1508 gold.
Fusion Power (tech 15) is still 2440 gold.
The Flux Capacitor (tech 16) is still 3948 gold.
Inductive Pulse Field (tech 17) is still 6388 gold.

Wars
Sparrowhawk versus Whoha
Sparrowhawk verus Dark Cloud
Jonny versus Dark Cloud
Jonny versus Vlad Antlerkov

Misc.
All empires have now discovered espionage. Their spys will be available next turn, that is, the turn after you dicover the tech or build the wonder.

I've added a count in parenthesis next to the total number of cities. These are cities that do not count towards your gold production due to recent captures or governmental limitations.

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174
 
      
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Whoha
      
Despotism
  
      
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Republic
      
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	20-10-2004 07:16									#162
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smiley's going to be unstoppable now!
all that gold...

sent.

	20-10-2004 07:39									#163
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Uh oh, looks like Jonny's trying to make a run on the Cultural Victory...

	20-10-2004 07:40									#164
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Sparrowhawk sent me a PM regarding how I am handling the spy attacks on something that costs gold.

If it is trade, the gold is gone (both parties), if it is something that you bought (armies, SS parts, tech, cities, etc.) the gold will be gone and the progress/items will be too.

This is how I am handling it this game, but it needs to be clairified for future games.

	20-10-2004 07:44									#165
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And as I said to Spaced, I did the opposite last game, leaving the sabotaged money in the treasury but last games success rate of spies was........ very low, maybe even zero (I don't remember exactly) so it wasn't something I had to deal with often.

I agree with Spaced however, we should clarify for next game, though as long as the same for everyone it doesn't matter much to me either way .

* Sparrowhawk

	20-10-2004 08:12									#166
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quote: Originally posted by DarkCloud smiley's going to be unstoppable now! all that gold...

Indeed... 30 cities, tech 10, in a republic... that's 3000 gold/turn, not including trade; that can build a lot of armies. He's surely going to run away with the game now.

	20-10-2004 09:49									#167
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It seems ironic that we all seem to agree that the world powers are Jonny and Smiley and yet it is the other Societies currently in active war. One must wonder who the idiot was that started these wars in the first place

If the current wars continue, Smiley will overrun the planet with cities, Jonny will finish the rest of the Wonders, and Darkcloud, Whoha and Sparrowhawk will be also rans in the game (and Muxec and Vlad Antlerkov are still working on writing their place into the history books, I do not yet know what those roles will be).

* Sparrowhawk

	20-10-2004 19:48									#168
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sent.

	20-10-2004 19:57									#169
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I only have complete orders from Whoha and partial ones from DC. Sup?

	20-10-2004 20:20									#170
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Alliances, possibly? Sent.

	21-10-2004 02:15									#171
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quote: Societies currently in active war. One must wonder who the idiot was that started these wars in the first place

blah. I blame it on vlad- I could have taken out ljube in 2 turns but vlad decided to be a jerk.

	21-10-2004 02:19									#172
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To be fair, had you ASKED for help, like Ljube did, I'd have been willing to give it.

	21-10-2004 03:18									#173
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Oh yeah, what wonder got voided by the KGB? Or none yet?

	21-10-2004 03:41									#174
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none yet,

But I'm still waiting on Jonny, Sparrow, Muxec, and Vlad.

Jonny we need to know what wonder will be toast?

	21-10-2004 03:47									#175
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No reason to use KGB immediately is there? I built it two games ago and didn't use it immediately (I waited until Skanky eliminnated me and then he used it )

	21-10-2004 04:03									#176
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Yes, my intentions are to wait to use the KGB until later, I assume that is acceptable?

	21-10-2004 04:52									#177
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No when-ever is good for me.

	21-10-2004 09:35									#178
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Actually, I've changed my mind about the KGB; I'd like to make the Jihad obsolete.

Orders coming momentarily.

	21-10-2004 10:01									#179
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Orders sent!

* Sparrowhawk

	21-10-2004 12:54									#180
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new world map...

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