21-10-2004 18:28									#181
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	21-10-2004 18:39									#182
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Just to let everyone know. On your revolution turns, you still get a spy if you have the tech or wonder, you just cannot use it during the revolution, unless that is what you pick for your one action.

The rules are not clear on this, and this is how I've been handling it.

	21-10-2004 18:51									#183
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Oh and take your time if you want to change orders. Still missing them from Muxec, pm sent.

	22-10-2004 01:37									#184
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smiley- ha!

	22-10-2004 02:21									#185
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Muxec replied to my pm, said tomorrow, he is busy at the uni.

	22-10-2004 13:34									#186
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Sorry. Sent

	22-10-2004 17:55									#187
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Okay, everybody is in....processing!

	22-10-2004 18:39									#188
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Dictators worldwide are developing WMD! We must stop them!

	22-10-2004 20:53									#189
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Turn 8: "Wasteland 3: Silver flying fish of death."

Trade:
11 Caravans from Muxec[11R] to Whoha[11D] - 1331
11 Caravans from Whoha[11D] to Dark Cloud[12R*] - 1452
10 Caravans from Smiley[10R] to Dark Cloud[12R*] - 1200
10 Caravans from Vlad Antlerkov[10R] to Whoha[11D] - 1100
8 Caravans from Jonny[13M] to Sparrowhawk[12M] - 1872
5 Caravans from Jonny[13M] to Muxec[11R] - 1430
12 Caravans from Sparrowhawk[12M] to Jonny[13M] - 2808
12 Caravans from Dark Cloud[12R*] to Whoha[11D] - 1584
NOTE: I am not rounding up fractional gold due to goverment bonuses. Please plan accordingly *Denotes governmental change.

Wonder Building
Jonny is still leading the wonder building contest as he builds Galactic Overlord in C10.

Espionage
Whoha sends a spy to sabotage Sparrowhawk's army recruitment.
Smiley sends a spy to counter espionage on Jonny.
Vlad Antlerkov sends 1 spy at Sparrowhawk's army production, 1 spy at Smiley's war phase, 1 spy at Smiley's army production, and 1 spy at Sparrowhawk's city-building.
Jonny's spy interupts Vlad Antlerkov's army recruitment.
Sparrowhawk's spy defends his army production.

**Espionage end game:
Sparrowhawk's army recruitment is toasted again, as is his city-building.
Jonny's spy is neutralized by Smiley's spy.
Smiley tried to declare war on Jonny, but Vlad's spy killed the ambassador before the declaration was received (War phase interpretation).
Smiley's army recruitment center is blown to pieces by Vlad's spy.

Gifts
Whoha shows Dark Cloud the ways of Space Flight (tech 13).
Smiley show everyone (but Jonny) the ways of Miniaturization (tech 12) and Space Flight (tech 13) which violates the foreign aid parameters so nothing is done.
Smiley then sends Vlad 1 gold which is allowed (BTW, the rules state that you may send all three types of aid, but to only one other player).
Jonny shows Sparrowhawk the ways of Space Flight (tech 13).

Nukes!
Whoha builds 7 nukes and sends them at Sparrowhawk. No specific target specified, so I took out the closest cities (to Whoha).
Jonny builds 3 nukes and sends them at Vlad's cities in J9, J10, and K10.

Battles
Jonny builds up a large army to try to finish Vlad after the nukes were dropped. His spy would have assured him of victory had it gotten through. Unfortunately for him, Vlad was able to build up a sizable defense instead.
He took his 231 unit army (tech 14) up against Vlad Antlerkov's 291 (tech 13) armies. His advance into Vlad's territory is repelled.
Jonny loses 21 armies, and Vlad loses none.

Governments:
Dark Cloud is now a Republic.

Wonders:
Jonny (Vlad Anterkov) (Gambecube64) - G11 - Tower of Babel.
Smiley - K2 - Colosseum. - Obsolete
Vlad Antlerkov - K11 - Trojan Horse.
Vlad Anterkov (Gamecube64) - G10 - Acropolis.
Whoha (Sparrowhawk) - B6 - Jihad. - Obsolete
Dark Cloud (Ljube-ljcvetko) - K6 - Silk Road.
Sparrowhawk (Dark Cloud) - F6 - Trans-Siberian Railroad.
Whoha (Sparrowhawk) - A7 - National Rifle Association.
Whoha (Sparrowhawk) - B7 - Mafia.
Jonny - B11 - University of California.
Jonny - A12 - NASCAR.
Jonny - A10 - The KGB.
Jonny - C12 - The Majestic-12 Program.
Jonny - C10 - Galactic Overloard.

Tech prices:
The Laser (tech 14) is now 1292 gold.

Fusion Power (tech 15) is still 2440 gold.
The Flux Capacitor (tech 16) is still 3948 gold.
Inductive Pulse Field (tech 17) is still 6388 gold.
Nano Diodes (tech 18) is still 10336 gold.

Wars
Sparrowhawk versus Whoha
Sparrowhawk verus Dark Cloud
Jonny versus Dark Cloud
Jonny versus Vlad Antlerkov

Misc.
All empires have now discovered espionage. Their spys will be available next turn, that is, the turn after you dicover the tech or build the wonder.

I've added a count in parenthesis next to the total number of cities. These are cities that do not count towards your gold production due to recent captures or governmental limitations.

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Society
 
      
Goverment
      
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Muxec
 
      
Republic
 
      
8
 
      
13
 
      
304
 
      
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Whoha
      
Despotism
  
      
15(9)
 
      
13
 
      
220
 
      
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4537
 
    
 

    
    
 
      
 Smiley
      
Republic
  
      
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101
 
      
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3799
 
    
 

    
    
 
      
Vlad Antlerkov
      
Republic
      
8
  
      
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291
 
      
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Jonny
 
      
Monarchy
 
      
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Last edited by Spaced Cowboy on 23-10-2004 at 01:44

	22-10-2004 22:39									#190
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spaced cowboy- good update, but cities with wonders are annihilated last- therefore the city in F6 still exists.

	22-10-2004 22:40									#191
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I have another proposal for a victory mode- Technological Victory- (reach tech 20 or 25) first... how about that suggestion?

	22-10-2004 22:49									#192
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Sent.

	22-10-2004 22:49									#193
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I thought that you can send nukes to wondercity first in this game. I hope that Spaced Cowboy will explain us all rules modifications in this game

	22-10-2004 22:50									#194
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ah, so we could theoretically send gold and techs in foreign aid now?

that's great.

and what's with the foreign aid of sending 1 gp? that's happened twice?

	22-10-2004 23:02									#195
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If you can target with nukes enemy wonders Galactic overlord must be improved. With new rules it could take only 4 nukes to permanently destroy it. So it's only like 3 antinuke cities...

	22-10-2004 23:07									#196
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well, I remember the original rule was you could nuke wonders, but that was too overpowering...

	22-10-2004 23:12									#197
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Maybe Majestic-12 must allow you to nuke wonders?

Please check your PMs

	23-10-2004 00:18									#198
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Rules as now are you can target nukes, but wonder cities can only be nuked after everything else is blown up (otherwise too easy to sabotage either the GO system or a cultural victory). Thus Sparrowhawk's only city should be the one with the Railroad.

Tech Victory sounds like a good albeit extremely expensive idea.

	23-10-2004 00:33									#199
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Understood Waiting for your map

Great diplomatic war is goind on. All sides except Johny and Sparrowhawk are curently negotiating. Everybody understand that if we do not co-operate Johny wins. On the other hand people see that the game will not last more than 5 more turns and already prepare base for their own victory.

	23-10-2004 01:44									#200
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New map, wouldn't edit for some reason.

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	23-10-2004 01:56									#201
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Oh, and text edited above as well. Sorry, somehow totally "spaced" that rule.

	23-10-2004 09:55									#202
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I been working on the railroad (because there is nothing else to work on)

* Sparrowhawk

	23-10-2004 11:50									#203
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I have a question about attacking through a nuked theretory. If I drop only one nuke at galactic overlord owner's city and do not totally destroy it would it be considered as nuked for "no attack through nuked territory"?

	23-10-2004 12:44									#204
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No, it's not nuked, the concept behind the Galactic Overlord missile defense is that it can only shoot down 75% of the nukes shot at it; not that cities gain extra hitpoints.

	23-10-2004 13:11									#205
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Also, the obligatory world map:

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	23-10-2004 16:18									#206
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I guess that i can spend both trade to me and trade from me incomes at the same turn Correct me if I'm wrong.

	23-10-2004 17:58									#207
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Muxec,

When you trade, you get the income from your trade that turn.

Example, you have 1000 cash at the beginning of the turn.

you send 10 caravans to Bobo who is at tech 10 like you, and you are a republic (which gets a 2X bonus)

Then the cost is: (10+10)*10 = 200
The total profit is 10*10*10*2 = 2000,
so the net income is 1800, and can be used that turn with the 1000 that you already had, that is, you have 2800 to spend.

Please specify the number of caravans that you want to send and to whom, they way that you've stated your orders, "trade with so-and-so" could be interpreted as a single caravan trade.

That being said, the trade that you get from other players will not be seen until your next turn where it is automatically added to the gold that you have to spend.

	23-10-2004 18:01									#208
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Also had this question in a pm:

Yes or no to nuking the brown squares on the map?

Not clear in the rules, and I do not see anything wrong with it. If a player wants to waste 500 gold to nuke a blank square then "do it."

	23-10-2004 18:39									#209
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quote: Originally posted by Spaced Cowboy Also had this question in a pm: Yes or no to nuking the brown squares on the map? Not clear in the rules, and I do not see anything wrong with it. If a player wants to waste 500 gold to nuke a blank square then "do it."

What happens when one tries to build city at the square tha was nuked at the same turn? Does he lose money spent on it?

	23-10-2004 19:34									#210
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Hmm....

Well, if you are at war with the nuker, then your city is built and destroyed. If you are at peace with the nuker, then the city is built, but the nuke launch is cancelled because you have to be at war to launch nukes.

Or should we go with the accident that caused a war scenario? That is, the city is built and destroyed regardless of war or peace, but the end result is war.