28-09-2004 07:34									#1
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quote: Insider Report from NewsMax.com 7. Moore: Flat Tax Is Coming Are President Bush's tax cuts the precursors to a national flat tax? Club for Growth President and conservative Reaganite Stephen Moore says yes. "That's the hidden story of what is going on under Bush," said Moore to the New Yorker. "I helped Dick Armey put together his flat-tax proposal. Nobody could get it done politically. What Bush has done in a hidden way, is move us in baby steps toward the flat tax." Of the 2003 tax law that dramatically cut dividend and capital gains taxes - capping them at 15 percent - Heritage Foundation economist William Beach declared it "one of the greatest supply-side changes to tax law in U.S. history. Other proposals, like Retirement Savings Accounts, have gone nowhere with Congress. While the setbacks have frustrated many conservative voters, conservative leaders are encouraged all the same. Americans for Tax Reform president Grover Norquist asked, "Do you think it was an accident that the first three tax cuts moved toward expensing business expenditures, toward universal IRAs, toward getting rid of the capital gains tax, toward getting rid of the double taxation of dividend income, toward getting rid of the death tax? No. It is consistent with a vision."

I am dedicating a shrine to Bush if he gets this through in the next 4 years. It will be the ultimate blow to the class wars. We'll all be paying the same percentage of our income, the fairest thing you can possibly do.

	28-09-2004 07:36									#2
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Yeah, it's fair if you hate the poor.

	28-09-2004 07:37									#3
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How can you call yourself a conservative? That statement right there just fully proved what you really are. Thank you. Finally there can be no denying it.

	28-09-2004 07:39									#4
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Most flat tax proposal start at ~40K - ~30K, all dollars under it are exempt. Plus they would have to get rid of exemptions. I don't see how Bush has really moved toward this by flattening the curve. It really hasn't made it more politically feasible.

	28-09-2004 07:39									#5
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Reagan never backed a flat tax. How can you call yourself a conservative, Forbes lover?

	28-09-2004 07:40									#6
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Anything is feasible when the Republicans control everything.

	28-09-2004 07:42									#7
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You're right, I am a Forbes lover. And just because Reagan didn't back it doesn't mean he's right. Just because Bush won't put the military on the US border with Mexico doesn't mean he's right. But all someone has to do is read your posts in the past 3 months to see that you do not stand with conservatives on pretty much anything.

	28-09-2004 07:43									#8
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Rahaheally. Then why didn't they put through a flat tax already? They could very easily lose the Senate.

	28-09-2004 07:44									#9
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quote: And just because Reagan didn't back it doesn't mean he's right.

And you call yourself a conservative.

quote: But all someone has to do is read your posts in the past 3 months to see that you do not stand with conservatives on pretty much anything.

If you are the arbiter for conservativism, I hope not! But you are a Fascist, it's all good .

I'm more of a George Will conservative will a good libertarian streak anyway.

	28-09-2004 07:45									#10
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How about you stop deluding yourself and call yourself what you are. You're a libertarian that leans to the left even fiscally.

	28-09-2004 07:47									#11
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to a Flat Tax. Most Conservatives are NOT far right-wingers who would something this regressive.

	28-09-2004 07:49									#12
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Regressive? Considering what we've seen of the progressive tax system I would say this a step towards the future. I look forward to the day when we can say goodbye to a country that divides people up and pits them against each other in the interest of taxation.

	28-09-2004 07:50									#13
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No! I already have a class warfare thread.

	28-09-2004 07:53									#14
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quote: Most Conservatives are NOT far right-wingers who would something this regressive.

Indeed. Many Right-Wing Conservatives are Christians. Some of them take their Christian responsibility to help their fellow man seriously.

	28-09-2004 07:58									#15
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*watches the Republicans argue over who is a true conservative*

	28-09-2004 07:58									#16
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quote: How about you stop deluding yourself and call yourself what you are.

Ok:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

Economic Left/Right: 3.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.44

This says I'm a Right-Winger Libertarian.

Eat it .

	28-09-2004 08:04									#17
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I support a flat tax Im also not conservative.

My ideal tax system would be a flat tax at ~25% on all money over ~40K and no deductions. This would allow for a much smaller IRS. It would also allow it to redirect it's efforts toward business tax avoidance and mixing of small business and owner expenses which all small business owners do. Actually the flat tax part isn't important. The under 40K tax free part is and the end of deductions. Which are essentually the Gov encouraging us to do things it deems desirable (house ownership, college) It also supports an unnecessary industry of accountants.

About college (Grants - Loans) are a much better way of make it attainable then deductions.

	28-09-2004 08:06									#18
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25% is not horrible, but I would like 20%.

	28-09-2004 08:09									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: How about you stop deluding yourself and call yourself what you are. Ok: http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Economic Left/Right: 3.12 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.44 This says I'm a Right-Winger Libertarian. Eat it .

Hehe, you're more libertarian than I am.

	28-09-2004 08:09									#20
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Flat tax is super retarded anyway. Hopefully he will do it and dismiss the credibility of his party for the decades to come.

	28-09-2004 08:10									#21
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quote: Hehe, you're more libertarian than I am.

Ha, you can eat it too!

Oh wait... nevermind, I actually like you .

	28-09-2004 08:21									#22
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Damn what the hell:


Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -7.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.10

	28-09-2004 08:21									#23
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The last test said I was a fascist too

	28-09-2004 08:22									#24
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I really like that link so i gave it its own thread. http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=122919

Go post your scores there.

	28-09-2004 08:22									#25
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It's not pitting people each against each other to ask people to pay in proportion to what they can afford to pay. It would be class warfare to institute a flat tax, with such warfare being waged against the poor.

A single mother of two kids earning 25,000 per year can hardly afford a 30% tax on that income and would be put into pretty severe poverty, and would be a severe damage to their quality of life. It would be unjust for a government to impose such a burden on it's people. Someone earning $100,000 per year can take a 30% tax and still live very comftorably.

Now, I suppose you could argue for having a flat tax, but making the tax rate so low it wouldn't be that much of a burden on anyone. But that doesn't look like it would be very possible the way Bush spends money.

	28-09-2004 08:22									#26
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I think this is a pretty accurate test. Imran ended up just about where he should and so did you Striker.

	28-09-2004 08:24									#27
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The Commies are trying to recruit me.

	28-09-2004 08:25									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi It's not pitting people each against each other to ask people to pay in proportion to what they can afford to pay. It would be class warfare to institute a flat tax, with such warfare being waged against the poor. A single mother of two kids earning 25,000 per year can hardly afford a 30% tax on that income and would be put into pretty severe poverty, and would be a severe damage to their quality of life. It would be unjust for a government to impose such a burden on it's people. Someone earning $100,000 per year can take a 30% tax and still live very comftorably. Now, I suppose you could argue for having a flat tax, but making the tax rate so low it wouldn't be that much of a burden on anyone. But that doesn't look like it would be very possible the way Bush spends money.

	28-09-2004 08:27									#29
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I can't see why ML supports a flat tax. A flat tax is still redistributive in that the rich will pay more.

So much for equality.

	28-09-2004 08:27									#30
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That thumbs up just inducted you into the Communist party. Wear the Russian flag proudly Ted...although judging by your scores they are less communist these days than you are.