01-10-2004 07:57									#1
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My positive viewpoint of Kerry is now more strongly reinforced after having watched and listened to the entire debate.


Shall we discuss?

	01-10-2004 07:58									#2
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I made the mistake of trying to follow the debate drinking contest, and so the repeated references to Kennedy ("a dead one") put me right over the top. I'm toasted.

	01-10-2004 07:59									#3
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I didn't watch it. So I have no reaction. I'm not voting for either candidate. So should I have watched it?

	01-10-2004 08:00									#4
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If you're not voting for either candidate, then why bother? Unless you're using it as an excuse to get drunk, that is.

	01-10-2004 08:04									#5
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Kerry came off alot stronger, together, determined, and comfortable than i expected. Bush was repetitive (not necessarily a bad thing) but didn't pounce on Kerry as much as he could have (i guess he didnt want to attack him).

	01-10-2004 08:05									#6
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I thought Bush stayed on message and was forceful. He was a little too antsy at times.

Kerry got his shots in. He strayed into irrelevancies at times.

	01-10-2004 08:06									#7
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It looked to me like Bush got completely arse-raped. He said the exact same stupid thing over and over again, in response to each and every question. I especially loved his continual reiteration that it's hard work. And his justification: "I know the war in Iraq is hard-I sit and sign the orders!" Even the immediate polls said Kerry won by a substantial margin. My opinion was probably influenced by the proximity of my niece's "Curious George" book throughout the debate (look at the illustration of George in the jail cell; Bush got the EXACT SAME expression on his face every time Kerry spoke), but Bush didn't seem to fight so much as spit platitudes with no discernable basis in reality. It was freaking great.

And you should have posted a poll, MrFun.

	01-10-2004 08:11									#8
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I concur... In my mind, Kerry won this first debate.

	01-10-2004 08:13									#9
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I thought that Kerry won, but I was also planning on voting for him prior to watching the debate, so I figured, why bother even trying to pretend that I've got anything approaching an objective opinion? Might as well drink instead.

	01-10-2004 08:14									#10
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I think this thread will be folded into the other one.

	01-10-2004 08:18									#11
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Then I'll be left with the shame of having posted in the other thread.

	01-10-2004 08:18									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Elok It looked to me like Bush got completely arse-raped. He said the exact same stupid thing over and over again, in response to each and every question. I especially loved his continual reiteration that it's hard work. And his justification: "I know the war in Iraq is hard-I sit and sign the orders!" Even the immediate polls said Kerry won by a substantial margin. My opinion was probably influenced by the proximity of my niece's "Curious George" book throughout the debate (look at the illustration of George in the jail cell; Bush got the EXACT SAME expression on his face every time Kerry spoke), but Bush didn't seem to fight so much as spit platitudes with no discernable basis in reality. It was freaking great. And you should have posted a poll, MrFun.

Yeah -- I got so expaserated at one point, that I was thinking, "Is Bush's two favorite words tonight, 'hard work'?"


Oh -- and please forgive me for not creating a poll. What will be my penance?

	01-10-2004 08:19									#13
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Kerry won, ultimately Bush will win the election because the ability to reason, form an argument, be intelligent, intellectual, informed and dynamic means nothing to a population who wants to keep the death penalty, can't get it up without a gun under their pillow and orders their children to worship the flag every morning in school. People are inevitably attracted to people on their level. And people are stupid.

	01-10-2004 08:21									#14
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damn are you an ignorant jackass, whaleboy

	01-10-2004 08:21									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Wittlich I concur... In my mind, Kerry won this first debate.

	01-10-2004 08:22									#16
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quote: It looked to me like Bush got completely arse-raped.

Which is nothing compared to what will happen if Kerry is elected and the disease of homosexuality spreads through the land.

	01-10-2004 08:23									#17
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once again i re-iterate... just to get some analysis besides "BUSH GOT ASS-RAPED!" or "BUSH AND AMERICANS ARE STUPID!"

Kerry came off alot stronger, together, determined, and comfortable than i expected. Bush was repetitive (not necessarily a bad thing) but didn't pounce on Kerry as much as he could have (i guess he didnt want to attack him).

	01-10-2004 08:24									#18
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quote: damn are you an ignorant jackass, whaleboy

Do tell me why and how?

	01-10-2004 08:25									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer damn are you an ignorant jackass, whaleboy

I agree. I don't keep my gun under my pillow. It's in my dresser drawer.

	01-10-2004 08:25									#20
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I thought that Bush had Kerry on the ropes during the first 20 min's or so, but Kerry seemed to pull out the Rope-a-dope and he finished on a stronger note than Bush.

I thought that Bush did have Kerry on the defensive on his message on the war in Iraq, but Kerry answereed this in the end. But Kerry could have gone after Bush's jugular but failed to do so.

As I saw the debate; it was Kerry by a nose.

	01-10-2004 08:25									#21
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I think Bush stayed on target and Kerry tried to move the discussion away from terror and Iraq, which might be a good or bad thing for him. Most people aren't to attune to Nuclear proliferation right now, as Iraq is constantly in the news. Kerry said this was his greatest concern. But really, is this the big topic of the election?

I would score it a tie, with Kerry looking a bit better, but still, he's all over the place. Bush stayed on message with terror, but he wasn't able to drive the stake through Kerry's heart for the big win.

	01-10-2004 08:26									#22
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yeah it should be kept under the bed...

	01-10-2004 08:26									#23
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quote: I agree. I don't keep my gun under my pillow. It's in my dresser drawer.

Philistine!!!

	01-10-2004 08:27									#24
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Kerry proved tonight that he is marginally better at making an argument than George W. Bush. A worthy accomplishment.

	01-10-2004 08:27									#25
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quote: Kerry said this was his greatest concern

Bush agreed.

	01-10-2004 08:28									#26
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dresser drawer? oh, i thought we was talking about the 12 gauge not a little handgun...

	01-10-2004 08:29									#27
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AS: Viagra or porn is far more effective

	01-10-2004 08:29									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Bush agreed.

Yeah, but should Kerry have ended the debates on that note? Bush focused on what is fresh in the publics mind.

	01-10-2004 08:30									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer dresser drawer? oh, i thought we was talking about the 12 gauge not a little handgun...

I don't need big guns. My 9 mm is sufficient.

I'm also thinking about getting a crossbow. that seems like the best self defense weapon.