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Ned
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
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Originally posted by Pax
Taliban alive and kicking
AQ alive and kicking
Saddam in prison
OBL ?
It looks like Bush is 1 for 4. That's an F. Still, take into consideration the situation in Iraq, before we invaded and the situation now. I would say that both the common american and iraqi were safer before. Even if you believe the common iraqi is safer today when he does not know if he will be kidnapped, beheaded, maimed, raped, killed, or which side to watch out for you still must agree that americans are not safer now that we have more enemies and our previous enemies hate us even more. |
Obviously you do support Clinton's brand of talking tough and doing nothing.
Our only point here, PAX, is that Kerry would have done the same thing as Clinton did. There is nothing that suggest otherwise, is there?
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DRoseDARs
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"My god, it's full of peas..."
Jul 2002
time: 21:22
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1232859/posts
Oh. My. God. Check out what the Freeptards are posting over necktie-gate  
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Of Bush, Kerry, and Bush's Necktie
My fevered brow | 10-01-2004 | By Laz
Posted on 10/01/2004 11:59:30 AM PDT by Lazamataz
I noticed something last night.
G.W. Bush's necktie was askew. It looked unprofessional. I wondered HOW in the heck that could have happened.
Then during the replay, I saw how it happened. When Kerry greeted Bush, Kerry held on to Bush's hand as Bush was walking away. Bush was forced to awkwardly stretch his torso, dislodging the correct placement of the tie.
I initially thought it was all happenstance. But on further review, I saw that Kerry made a point of adjusting his tie after the handshake, just in case the manuever dislodged his too.
Maybe it was an accident, maybe not. I think not. If anyone has contacts to Bush, please advise them of this possible purposeful action, or at the very least, MAKE SURE BUSH'S TIE IS STRAIGHT. I was focused on the tie, it looked so sloppy. |
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It's a smallish point, but every little bit helps. Please send this observation to people who can influence things.
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Actually, it was a very clever maneuver. I give the Kerry people kudos for coming up with it, if it was indeed intentional.
Now it is up to our side to respond.
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Thanks. And to those who did not notice it consciously, I'm sure it was an unconscious factor in the somewhat poor reviews of GW's performance.
Psychology is subtle, and unconscious effects are the most insidious. We must be ever-vigilant.
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Why didn't Lehrer throw a flag when that happened? He was right there. He should've seen the flagrant foul, especially if it was so obvious upon further review... Sheesh. Can't get good help anymore anywhere. |
While there are plenty of dimwits there suffering from soiled pants over the crooked tie which I never once noticed (seeing as Bush was almost constantly slouched over the lecturn... bad bad bad  ), there were plenty of others making light of it and stating correctly that this is noothing more than spilt milk that no one in thier right mind should spend any time on.
One of these people posted this cute pic 
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:22
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Ned, you have answered your own question partially, why Bush is not as liked in Europe and around the world as perhaps Kerry would be. Kerry is more articulate, polished etc. We like that kind of stuff. Leader of the country, why not? We give very little value to the 'likeability' of the person. I mean, of course it has certain value, but it's not a deciding factor.
We think, well most of us think, that the president is the biggest rep for the country, so he sohuld be articulate and polished etc. Where as many Americans put value on character, we put value on just about hardcore facts and that stuff. I mean that we don't care if the president slips 'cute' freudians, we care usually ONLY about the content. Where as Bush shows steadfast and boldness and consistency in few issues, many internationals see this more as being stubborn, not facing the facts many thing are true (like Iraq not going well), and making it a worse mess directly from that.
I'd say that while his character is an asset in the US, it is the exact opposite in Europe and most countries too. In the heart, we are just like you. Bush made a BIG point about not letting others decide and tell what you should do, hey.. we feel the same way. We don't feel like someone else saying to us what to do either, and furthermore if that's about to happen, it has to be covered in that articulate and polished figure, or else it could appear as rude and arrogant.
You might feel this is incorrect. But hey, that's how many foreigners feel, it's a fact. DO I feel this way? Not really.. I give rats ass about character, be it bad or good. I'm neutral on that stuff. I also realize that all decision are based on the TEAM behind the president, so I don't give a pony's butt about what the president is like. So I didn't explain how I personally feel about it, but I explained one thing that rubs off many furriners from Dubya.
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Gerar Dean
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Acá abajo
Sep 2002
time: 01:22
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Originally posted by Pekka
Ned, you have answered your own question partially, why Bush is not as liked in Europe and around the world as perhaps Kerry would be. Kerry is more articulate, polished etc. We like that kind of stuff. Leader of the country, why not? We give very little value to the 'likeability' of the person. I mean, of course it has certain value, but it's not a deciding factor.
We think, well most of us think, that the president is the biggest rep for the country, so he sohuld be articulate and polished etc. Where as many Americans put value on character, we put value on just about hardcore facts and that stuff. I mean that we don't care if the president slips 'cute' freudians, we care usually ONLY about the content. Where as Bush shows steadfast and boldness and consistency in few issues, many internationals see this more as being stubborn, not facing the facts many thing are true (like Iraq not going well), and making it a worse mess directly from that.
I'd say that while his character is an asset in the US, it is the exact opposite in Europe and most countries too. In the heart, we are just like you. Bush made a BIG point about not letting others decide and tell what you should do, hey.. we feel the same way. We don't feel like someone else saying to us what to do either, and furthermore if that's about to happen, it has to be covered in that articulate and polished figure, or else it could appear as rude and arrogant.
You might feel this is incorrect. But hey, that's how many foreigners feel, it's a fact. DO I feel this way? Not really.. I give rats ass about character, be it bad or good. I'm neutral on that stuff. I also realize that all decision are based on the TEAM behind the president, so I don't give a pony's butt about what the president is like. So I didn't explain how I personally feel about it, but I explained one thing that rubs off many furriners from Dubya. |
Agree in general.
I can't talk in the name of all the argentineans. Less in the name of the latin american people. But is the feeling in this part of the world that Bush is a bad president if the US pretends to be the leader. If you got a president who left his hands into the US, well, is your problem. But normally is not that way. Normally USA wants the leadership, and sometimes an empire (that is what we suffer here). In this place of the world the anti-american feel is big because of what we said, but when the president was Clinton you can feel a sympathy sense about US people.
The polls in Argentina gives more than a 80% for Kerry (even when most of the people dislikes Kerry, but dislike Bush more).
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