01-10-2004 08:23									#1
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I was thinking about how people speak. Even in one language, there's tons of different regional variations. English English, Australian English, Canadian English, Southern English, Yankee English, they're all different and although not an actual pain in the ass, the differences are there and noticable.

Knowing how many language nuts there are here, here's an examples of something I said lately. Analyze it.

"Down at th'ol' house, we had a winder that went from one room to another"

That's not all! Here's a few words and phrases.

"ain't", "y'all", "fer," "whut fer" (also whuffer sometimes.)

And there's lots of double negatives and extra words here and there.

"I done got the book"
"I ain't no sucker"

"Yo," "Ya," and "yer":

"Yo! Whazzup y'all?"
"Shut yo trap."
"Ya dropped yer pencil."

My parents are "ma" and "pa". My relatives are my "folks," and I have cuzins and gramma and grampa. What fer? Jus' becuz.

Lastly, I don't care for the obscenity level. There's usually a "sh*t" or "d*mn" every here and there.

"You can't see sh*t, son. It's right in front uh ya."
'Damn book's worse'n the phone book fer story."

It's not like I don't know proper English, it's just that I don't speak it without a conscious effort. Of course I write this stuff correct all the time, but who'm I to worry about how I speak?

"I'll pick up some Cokes if'n the corner store's still open."

One a y'all English nuts lemme know if there's any details ya can glean from this about my dialect or which century of English English it's closest to, or other things like that.

Sometimes I get "Winder?" or "You had an ideer?" But them're all just haters anyway. Overall there ain't no reaction.

	01-10-2004 08:24									#2
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you talk like you come from North Philly

	01-10-2004 08:31									#3
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do you also say "I'm a go to the store"? or "I done did it"

if so... then yeah, you a ghetto boy. though we don't say "whut fer?", we say "whut fo?" it's not "yer car" it's "yo car"

quote: "Shut yo trap." "Ya dropped yer pencil."

first one is philly pronounciation of your... second is what you said you use.

	01-10-2004 08:44									#4
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How about this: "Dere are tree tings you godda know about da bus." Spoken by my bus driver back in high school. Guess my location.

	01-10-2004 08:47									#5
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mitchell:

you probably say greezy as opposed to greasy, right?

	01-10-2004 08:55									#6
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In the neighborhood I'm in, they pronounce "ing" as "ingk". They're mostly Jewish. It's so strange.

	01-10-2004 09:17									#7
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Somewhere in middle Appalachia, mrmitchell?

	01-10-2004 09:23									#8
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Something

	01-10-2004 09:48									#9
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Yeah, I'm guessing Appalachia or rural South.

	01-10-2004 09:51									#10
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Id say more like the Ozark mountains than Appalachia

	01-10-2004 09:52									#11
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didnt i already say he speaks identical to someone from North Philly? he's clearly an east coast urbanite in his dialect... he's inconsistant with 'your' and 'for' and what not though... half the time he says "yer" and "fer" (god knows where that came from) and the other half he says "yo" and "fo" (definently east coast city)

	01-10-2004 09:54									#12
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Nope, not clearly at least... I've heard the exact same stuff from people down here in Atlanta.

	01-10-2004 09:55									#13
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Atlanta being an east coast urban center... just like philly... well except for south philly where they sound like Rocky or your typical Italian-American featured in mob and ww2 movies.

	01-10-2004 09:56									#14
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White folk, Speer... I don't think they speak with the 'urban' dialect. Rednecks aren't known for talking ghetto .

Though the phrases about shut yo trap and wazzup are outliers and could have been picked up from commericials and TV.

But 'Winder' and 'ideer' are definetly redneck.

	01-10-2004 09:58									#15
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Imran:

of course southernors and urbanites share the same basic dialect... there's differences between plantation, highlands, etc. but yeah... east coast city dwellers share a dialect with the southernors...

the italian dialect also has some southern features though not really.

	01-10-2004 10:00									#16
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White folk speak a bit different from the black folk down here, Speer. And it sounds more like white folk to me.

	01-10-2004 10:01									#17
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Whut yall tawkin bout? Aint I just done proved my point? Yall best be realizin yo minds aint workin proper.

now is that redneck or ghetto?

	01-10-2004 10:03									#18
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Sounds more ghetto to me, especially that last sentance.

	01-10-2004 10:05									#19
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Translation into redneck:

Whut er y'all tawkin a-bout? Ain't I just proved my poin? Y'all ain't thinkin right.

	01-10-2004 10:08									#20
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i said: Whut yall tawkin bout?
you said: Whut er y'all tawkin a-bout?
the difference: addition of 'are' and the pronouncing of 'a' in about. grammer difference which i contend isn't significant as i'm sure many rednecks dont even bother with the a in about and what not.

i said: Aint I just done proved my point?
you said: Ain't I just proved my point?
Difference: The word done... now Mitchell made it clear he used the word done in this context... so Mitchell must be talking ghetto, not redneck, right? he said that he says, "I done got the book"

	01-10-2004 10:10									#21
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I don't know where he may have gotten his dialect but I do know where he lives and I know that if he has lived there for a while it is bound to show up in his speech

	01-10-2004 10:17									#22
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quote: grammer difference which i contend isn't significant as i'm sure many rednecks dont even bother with the a in about and what not.

Um, what do you think dialect is but grammar differences? And yes, the a is used often.

quote: The word done... now Mitchell made it clear he used the word done in this context... so Mitchell must be talking ghetto, not redneck, right? he said that he says, "I done got the book"

"I done" and "I just done" aren't the same thing. Try again . "I just done" just puts too many words in the sentance.

	01-10-2004 10:19									#23
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Oh, and Speer, if you can't tell the difference when a redneck and ghetto person speaks outloud (you say they are basically the same dialect), then you ain't listening.

I spend a lot of my job on the phone and I definetly can tell who is 'ghetto' and who is 'redneck'.

	01-10-2004 10:19									#24
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Hmm tough, the yers are definitly southern. But it seems to missing some things to be appalachia. I want to go west.

Posits a guess. Arkansas never been there but it does seem appropriate.

	01-10-2004 10:20									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Moral Hazard Posits a guess Arkansas never been there but it does seem appropriate.

your right. Where I happen to be as well.

	01-10-2004 10:26									#26
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Really. Lucky guess. I was going to go down the Gulf states next since I haven't talked much to them either. I can't figure out, what it's missing from eastern south, and appalachia but I've been there. And I know it's something. It's really bugging me.

	01-10-2004 10:33									#27
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Here is a site with some aduio samples of some arkansas dialects.

I don't know if he is originally from arkansas, like I am, but I do know it grows on you if you stay here to long

And there are some differences between the northern part in the Ozarks and the southern part. I live in the south now and I grew up in the north and there is a difference.


http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cach...s+dialect&hl=en[/url]

	01-10-2004 10:43									#28
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It really doesn't take long. I went to the Appalachian Smokeys region this spring for a month and picked it up really quick. I've completely lost it now tho. Can't even fake it without mangling it, but Im aiming to fix that shortly. I was also in western Canada for a week and a half. I was saying eh and for sure, in every other sentence. Of course other parts come along more slowly.

	01-10-2004 10:57									#29
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An audio sample is the only appropriate way that it can be judged - there are so many aspects that cannot be written down.

English has quite a wacky range of accents. Listen to people from Birmingham or Newcastle or Liverpool...mad...

	01-10-2004 11:04									#30
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Took me 4 times of watching Trainspotting to get half of what is said.