05-10-2004 18:52									#1
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Is it on today? What time is it? Is there a website streaming it?

Thanks!

Predictions?

I think it'll be a tight one.

	05-10-2004 18:57									#2
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I wonder if Edwards will be able to goad Cheney into blowing up...
Doubt it, but damn would it be fun to watch.

	05-10-2004 19:03									#3
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The debate starts at 9pm EST and runs for one hour and thirty minutes.

-Drachasor

	05-10-2004 19:05									#4
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Ok thanks.. so that's.. uhh.. EST, +7 hours.. starts 4AM.. AND I have school tomorrow pretty early. YOU CAN'T QUESTION MY DEVOTION! Yeah baby, this is why I'm called SuperCitizen for one of the many reasons. Watching some other country's vice president debate from the internet at 4AM. YEAH BRING IT ON!

	05-10-2004 19:09									#5
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Just to make sure you have the right time, EST is GMT -5.

It is during Daylight Savings time both here and in Europe, so that shouldn't trouble you any.*

-Drachasor

*Are you in Europe?

	05-10-2004 19:15									#6
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yeah I know the timezones thank you very much!

Yes I am in Europe. I am European.

	05-10-2004 19:20									#7
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I predict the gloves will come off. Cheney and Edwards will be aggressive and tough. Both guys will attack the other very agressively.

	05-10-2004 19:27									#8
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat I predict the gloves will come off. Cheney and Edwards will be aggressive and tough. Both guys will attack the other very agressively.

I agree, though with Bremer and Rumsfeld's statements in the last two days or so, I think Edwards has a decent advantage now.

Hard to deny what your own people are saying, or rather, it is hard to get people to believe such denials.

-Drachasor

Edit: Last sentence modified.

	05-10-2004 19:28									#9
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Oops, pseudo-double-post.

	05-10-2004 19:29									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Yes I am in Europe. I am European.

I thought you were a Finn.

	05-10-2004 19:35									#11
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He's the First Revolutionary of the Anti Plus Revolution

Anyone knows which mod deleted those three threads in a row? It's not that I'm making a hit list or anything, it's just that I'm making a hit list.

	05-10-2004 19:36									#12
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They were deleted? After my lovely post about how the non-plussers couldn't afford a black flag (too pricey), and so they'd have to go with with a rusty flyswatter and a dirty dishrag?

Dang shame.

-Drachasor

	05-10-2004 19:39									#13
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They were deleted. The thread, the thread about the thread, and the thread about the thread about the thread.

Funny how tons of spam are tolerated but dissent is not.

Come out you cowardly lackey mod who did it!

	05-10-2004 19:50									#14
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Sorry about the threadjack.

I'll watch the debate too.

	05-10-2004 20:04									#15
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I think Cheney might get the better of Edwards, simply because like any stubborn mule, he won't be moved, while Edwards might be a good trial lawyer, but a "debate" like this is not the same.

	05-10-2004 20:36									#16
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DD, true. I don't even feel European. But you see, for Americans you have to say 'I'm European'.. if I say 'I'm Finnish' they say 'what did you have?'.

	05-10-2004 20:42									#17
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion Come out you cowardly lackey mod who did it!

Get it straight... it's MINION, not lackey

Oh, and yeah, I deleted them... and there were some "discussions" via PM on the topic

But back on topic...
As far as the debate goes, Cheney scored the first victory already by having the format a "sit down" vs a standing one. Edwards legal experience makes him FAR more effective standing vs sitting... The political experts this morning on the radio were pretty positive that this will work in Cheney's favor...

	05-10-2004 20:57									#18
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Sitting bull?

	05-10-2004 21:52									#19
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physical posture is really that decisive in a debate?

	05-10-2004 21:55									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Geronimo physical posture is really that decisive in a debate?

It was my thought that they went with sitting because standing that long would be hard on Cheney's health. Maybe there are two prongs to it though.

Anyhow, I still think that Rumsfeld's and Bremer's comments within the last 24 hours or so that Edwards has been given a nice advantage there. It can still go either way though, but I will cross my fingers for Edwards.

-Drachasor

	05-10-2004 21:56									#21
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Decisive... no way. But Cheney needs all the help he can get...

	05-10-2004 22:13									#22
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Sitting will help Cheney big time. I don't know how much people remember about the 2000 VP debate, but it made it look more friendly and Cheney seemed like a nice, affable guy.

I think think Cheney wins big. He just knows a ton more about policy than Edwards.

	05-10-2004 22:44									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I think think Cheney wins big. He just knows a ton more about policy than Edwards.

Cheney is a really smart guy. You may not agree with his conclusions, but he definately has the gray matter.

	05-10-2004 22:47									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Sitting will help Cheney big time. I don't know how much people remember about the 2000 VP debate, but it made it look more friendly and Cheney seemed like a nice, affable guy. I think think Cheney wins big. He just knows a ton more about policy than Edwards.

I think think two of the same words right next to each other other do not not make sense.

	05-10-2004 23:34									#25
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What would happen if Cheney stood up for 90 minutes?

	05-10-2004 23:43									#26
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Why would anybody overseas watch this? I probably won't. It's not very important to the race most of the time.

	05-10-2004 23:53									#27
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Because we are interested about happenings outside our country . It's not all about hernekeitto, mämmi and knives.

	06-10-2004 01:54									#28
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun I think think two of the same words right next to each other other do not not make sense

If you had had more time to think it over, you would have discovered that that is not always correct.

	06-10-2004 02:27									#29
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"he's more machine now than man... twisted and evil"

I'm going to play a drinking game... drink for every one of Cheney's heart attacks during the debate.

	06-10-2004 02:36									#30
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To get back to the subject at hand, I'm actually looking forward to this debate just as much as the Bush/Kerry one. Not because it's equally important (obviously it isn't) but because I've read and heard much more about Edwards than I've actually seen for myself.

The fact that the debate doesn't commence before 03:00 still bothers me a great deal though. Hopefully I'll have the willpower that is necessary to stay awake until then.