06-10-2004 06:38									#61
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs From CNN.com: Let's see: 1066 goes into 1205... carry the one... numerate the denominator... cross the wires... spread the cheaks... blow my brains out... almost twice! By golly, it really IS 50%! Bloody f*cking Hell Mr. Cheney, even MY math isn't that bad. Observe... 1066 / 1205 = 0.884647302904... So roughly 88%, pretty close to an even 90%. Go cheney yourself, dickhead. I don't feel well today, so I'm not going to watch the rest of the debate until later (recording it). I just wanted to get this off my chest since I had a math test this morning. I may have flunked the math on that test, but I'll be God damned if I can't figure out how to find a simple percentage.

You need to count Iraqi security forces. Are you even listening to the debate?

	06-10-2004 06:39									#62
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Hmm. They both seem to be repeating what we've already seen in the previous debate, but Cheney does a better job at it precisely because Bush did such a horrible job.

	06-10-2004 06:39									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka I think Edwards is saying 'When John KErry is our president' too much. It sounds like he is Kerry's little lap dog and fan. Cheney carries himself better in this aspect IMO.

That's because Bush is Cheney's lap dog. :rimshot:

	06-10-2004 06:41									#64
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Hmm. Cheneys response on this subject is weak.

	06-10-2004 06:41									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo By saying that, apparantly you're demeaning Iraqis according to Cheney. Why are you such a racist, DRoseDARs?

Because a-rabs are dirty, smelly people who are only good for their oil*. So go f*ck yourself you freedom-hating, cheese-eating, terrorist-sympathsizing, surrender-monkey.



*But nt the Saudis. They bathe. Nr are the Libyans. They gave up The Bmb. They're our friends.

	06-10-2004 06:41									#66
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Edwards response to Cheneys response was really weak.

	06-10-2004 06:42									#67
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Giancarlo has entered the debate and says and I quote (through PM):

I believe Cheney has totally shredded and embarrassed Edwards and not even the most liberal democrats could deny that. Cheney has dominated the debate, and really pounded Edwards with facts. Edwards is too simplistic and is not conveying his message properly enough. He doesn't respond well to the Vice President's attacks and has stumbled many times.

	06-10-2004 06:42									#68
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Anyone notice how everytime Cheney corrects Edwards' facts, Edwards just repeats his incorrect facts again.

	06-10-2004 06:43									#69
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat Anyone notice how everytime Cheney corrects Edwards' facts, Edwards just repeats his incorrect facts again.

Very true.

	06-10-2004 06:43									#70
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Lots of good Haliburton stuff. About damn time Cheney's called on that.

	06-10-2004 06:43									#71
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat Anyone notice how everytime Cheney corrects Edwards' facts, Edwards just repeats his incorrect facts again.

Though some of the "corrections" are a bit dubious....I'm not the best at math, but I'm pretty sure 68+70 != 1,000+

	06-10-2004 06:43									#72
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diplmat, well, for example the 90% claim is really not a non-fact, it's a way of counting. From his point, he is right and his facts are correct. But so is Cheney.

	06-10-2004 06:44									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar He's used his "90%" speech twice now.

Because Cheney misunderstood what he said. 90% of the COALITION casualties were American. Cheney said that Iraqis make up a big part of casualites. Edwards reiterated because Iraq wasn't a part of the coalition to invade...Iraq.

On another note...Edwards made a pretty damning case against Halliburton. I'm glad to finally see it put so coherently on the national stage. All Cheney could say is "you know we're not guilty". Yeah, and neither was OJ.

	06-10-2004 06:44									#74
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So...Kerry's invading Palestine?

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Nelson Mandela! Didn't think Edwards would bring that up. Nice.

	06-10-2004 06:48									#76
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Well during a break in the Playoff game tonight, I caught Cheney totally killing Edwards on his missed votes: "Tonight is the first time I've met you". Ouch!

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Ooooooooh SNAP! Edwards plays hardball back. Now this is nice, both participants are playing hard and pretty good. So far I think it's about tied, Cheney having the edge. I don't agree with his facts, or some of them, but I think he has the edge debate wise, he seems strong. He reminds me kind of principal/police/dad who is saying you how it is when you have screwed up. Kind of scary, but you knew it was coming at the same time .

	06-10-2004 06:48									#78
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He's good, but Edwards is getting tons of punches in too.

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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous Because Cheney misunderstood what he said. 90% of the COALITION casualties were American. Cheney said that Iraqis make up a big part of casualites. Edwards reiterated because Iraq wasn't a part of the coalition to invade...Iraq.

The deaths that are relevant here are the deaths in the fight against the Iraqi insurgency. The people on our side in Iraq are relevant as casualties.

	06-10-2004 06:49									#80
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Nelson Mandela dosen't have quite the cachet he used to.

You can thank Winnie for that.

	06-10-2004 06:49									#81
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"The first time I ever met you was tonight"

Go Cheney!

	06-10-2004 06:50									#82
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Jaguar, the iraqi security etc are not part of coalition. You are sending mixed messages. Stop scrambling

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But the Iraqi Security Forces aren't Coalition Forces. The issue was coalition deaths and how much of them were USAmerican soldiers.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Well during a break in the Playoff game tonight, I caught Cheney totally killing Edwards on his missed votes: "Tonight is the first time I've seen you". Ouch!

I thought his best zinger was when they were talking about the cost of the war in Iraq, and Cheney said that the bill wasn't 200 billion, but 120, but since Edwards wasn't there to vote for it, he wouldn't know.

	06-10-2004 06:51									#85
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Yep, the original issue was diplomatic support for the war. Making Iraqi forces irrelevent.

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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs But the Iraqi Security Forces aren't Coalition Forces. The issue was coalition deaths and how much of them were USAmerican soldiers.

Some Iraqis are part of the Coalition. They fight for the Coalition, with the Coalition. They are trained by the Coalition to help achieve the Coalition's ends.

	06-10-2004 06:53									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Making Iraqi forces irrelevent.

Yeah...Irrelevant.

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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Yep, the original issue was diplomatic support for the war. Making Iraqi forces irrelevent.

Cheney said "when you count Iraqi security forces, the US has sustained only 50% of the casualties." You can't decide not to include Iraqi forces just to disprove Cheney's math.

	06-10-2004 06:54									#89
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Taking stuff out of context.

	06-10-2004 06:54									#90
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I thought the candidates were not allowed to directly address each other. Edwards just did when he looked right at Cheney and said "America cannot endure 4 more years of your experience".

Both candidates are breaking the rules and the moderator is doing nothin'.

It does make for a better debate but come on.