07-10-2004 17:09									#1
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No, we haven't yet made contact or been contacted, but .............

Given that we are agreed that we should invest the 25 ec's to buy their commlink from Yang next turn it's time to start the dedicated thread

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	07-10-2004 17:19									#2
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Since we are going to be friends with the Gaians, we can move more aggressively with the Angels, even try a bit of treatening. I can do Good Cop while Maniac does Bad Cop. We shouldn't burn any bridgers per se, however, since we certainly don't need to be surrounded by enemies. Preventing a Morgan-Angel axis to counter our own little alliance is important. Divide et impera. We need to keep the Gaians from getting too comfy with anyone else too, lest we end up with all three against us.

	07-10-2004 17:25									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia I can do Good Cop while Maniac does Bad Cop.

Anyway, one of the first thing we could ask about if we can indeed buy the Angel commlink frequency, is Industrial Automation. You never know they'd be willing to sell it at a lower price than Gaia.

	07-10-2004 17:27									#4
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I do find it unlikely anyone would be willing to give up IndAuto for anything less than another level three tech, but it would be worth a shot should the current proposal be turned down.

	07-10-2004 17:37									#5
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I'd imagine that the Angels would be desperate to get 3 pacts going (or at least, infiltration on 3 factions) so that their techshare bonus gets activated. We might consider offering them a strategic Pact for a term (in exchange for Ind Auto) so that they can get some freebies (that they'll share with us, of course)

I imagine that they have Yang infiltrated already, as Buster pretty much made clear in the beginning that, pre doc flexibility, every team had to pass thru Yang to get to another human team

	07-10-2004 17:40									#6
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Will Kass be doing all diplomatic negotiations - or do we want to appoint an Ambassador to each of the 3 teams?

	07-10-2004 17:45									#7
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For the time being I feel that I can do it, but once things get more complicated, an ambassador system might be a good idea.

I like the temporary pact idea to get free techs. Would benefit us both a great deal.

	08-10-2004 02:04									#8
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It might benefit the Angels too much.
Suppose they do the same with all three factions?
Not good for us.
We're the most technologically handicapped (in having ability to research it on our own), compared to the other three.

	08-10-2004 02:12									#9
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quote: Originally posted by KrysiasKrusader We're the most technologically handicapped (in having ability to research it on our own), compared to the other three.

But when we make Zak our b!tch, we'll rock on research

	08-10-2004 04:44									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie But when we make Zak our b!tch, we'll rock on research

Agreed on that point!
Unless we take away too much of his research capability while making him that...

On a side note Googlie - Why do you use "b!tch"? Is that a new jargon/term that I missed out on? I remember "slave", "servant", and "submissive"...

	08-10-2004 05:10									#11
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Well, "submissive" is the...official, statesmanly term for it. Other jargon you need to know is "biotch" and "PWNED", both of which Zak will soon be.

And I agree, we need to watch out about the Data Angels using their techshare ability. Thus, any pact with them carries a certain amount of risk.

	08-10-2004 23:17									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Zeiter Other jargon you need to know is "biotch" and "PWNED", both of which Zak will soon be.

Those two sound 'Merican to me. Am I correct in my assumption?

	09-10-2004 02:20									#13
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PWNED is Internetese

	10-10-2004 19:20									#14
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Hmm - I see that the gaians have some arcane internal diplomacy rule that they won't trade techs the same turn as commlinks, so have taken the Angels' out of the bargaining mix for this round of trade talks (I removed the 25 ec's from the accepted offer that we have placed on the table)

So this begs the question:

This current turn (24 hours still to run) should we buy the Angels' commlink from Yang and get negotiating?

It's Sunday, so we should be able to get some semblance of the Angels' attitude towards us in the next 10 - 15 hours (and maybe even execute a trade - or credits - for Gene Splicing before they get it from their techshare ability)

Plus it will give Morgan some more time to negotiate with us before the turn moves on.

Junta's thoughts?

	10-10-2004 19:26									#15
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I think we should buy it from Yang. We need all the diplomatic info we can get asap.

	10-10-2004 19:39									#16
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And, in the roleplay context, it could be represented as avictory for the dissident group

	10-10-2004 20:47									#17
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Yep, buy it from Yang. I'd like the thought of representing it as a victory for the "Hiverian-minded faction" too. We could call it that, the "Wimps" could call the militants "Hiverians" for their plans and vice versa.

Perhaps even make it out to be a compromise we made to keep the Hiverian-minded from making any more tricks Snoddasmannen did, that jeopardise foreign relations.

	10-10-2004 20:53									#18
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As in:

My Dear Lord Illuminatus:

I regret the actions of the Gaian Council in pulling the Angels' comm-link off the negotiating table.

This has unfortunately given ammunition to the Hiverian faction within our Junta, emboldening them to get a majority in favor of obtaining this valuable commlink from Chairman Yang

Therefore there will be no need to offer it to us next year.

Regretfully,

Major Kassiopeia

How does that sound?

(but better wait on posting it in the Embassy until we actually do get the commlink from Yang, if that's the majority opinion)

	10-10-2004 20:54									#19
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I wonder, though, if that's a bit too blatant. I'd like to have them do some deduction before they can figure out that there's a fullblown faction inside the Junta gaining influence.

	10-10-2004 21:17									#20
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Okay. How about :

My Dear Lord Illuminatus:

I regret the actions of the Gaian Council in pulling the Angels' comm-link off the negotiating table.

I am instructed to inform you that there will be no need for you to offer it to us next year.

Major Kassiopeia

	10-10-2004 21:37									#21
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You could mention the severity of the Juntas debate on the matter, could make them think about factions in the Junta ...

	10-10-2004 21:50									#22
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Yeah, I agree about buying the commlink from Yang.

	10-10-2004 22:34									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie So this begs the question: This current turn (24 hours still to run) should we buy the Angels' commlink from Yang and get negotiating? It's Sunday, so we should be able to get some semblance of the Angels' attitude towards us in the next 10 - 15 hours (and maybe even execute a trade - or credits - for Gene Splicing before they get it from their techshare ability) Plus it will give Morgan some more time to negotiate with us before the turn moves on. Junta's thoughts?

YES WE DO!!!

And I agree with the thing about their tech-share ability. Let's move on this.

(funny, I was under the impression that we had a deal with the Gaians...?)

	10-10-2004 22:35									#24
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As he won't talk this turn, I suggest we just sign off and next turn, when we open it, we'll (presumably) have a Gaian offer of the commlink for 25 ec's (or whatever they ask) stare us in the face when we open the turn.

There's lots of time then to close the diplobox with the offer still there, and try Yang again, and then we can put all our Machiavellien ideas into play with the Gaians.

	10-10-2004 22:37									#25
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There's something I don't get.

What's the "shadow Junta"?

	10-10-2004 22:42									#26
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You will soon find out, muahahaha
Some RP-fun, check the Sparta-Gaian relations thread.

	11-10-2004 01:53									#27
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It's an existing political idea, for an opposition party to have a "Shadow Cabinet" of its own appointment that generally just goes around telling everyone how the government-in-power is doing a poor job of everything. Over here in Finland there's no shadow cabinet per se, but the opposition parties often throw together a "shadow budget" by the end of the year, for the same purpose of criticism.

	11-10-2004 03:04									#28
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I think we can forget about buying the Angels' commlink from Yang

I went back to the original turn and opened it and callred Yang (who picked up the phone, so in the real turn i must have contacted him - maybe to try and buy a tech to see what he offered, or something)

He listens to our spiel, asks what we offer for it, then launches his "not trustworthy right-wing luny" rant.

My guess is that's what we'll get from him next turn as well

See my suggestions in the Morgan thread.

	12-10-2004 22:46									#29
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Illuminatus has confirmed in our Embassy that the Gaians have pout the Angels' commlink on the negotiating table (didn't indicate whether it was pre-accepted or not, nor if they were hiking the price from our suggested 25 ec's)

So we'll be able to contact the Angels either next turn (2142) or the one after

What do we plan to say to them?

	12-10-2004 23:37									#30
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I will start up a Spartan - Data Angels Relations thread and ponder the situation in the OP.

Edit: I just noticed where I posted this