22-10-2004 22:39									#91
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ooh - did anyone else see todays "while you wait " quote"

Tolkein's Minas Tirith blurb

	22-10-2004 22:44									#92
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Great reply.
My reply:

quote: Staff Sergeant Googlie speaks the truth!

Just tell me if I should delete it.

	22-10-2004 22:56									#93
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GGLIE

	23-10-2004 01:20									#94
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You guys.

The while you are waiting blurbs are unique every time you post, care to repeat the blurb you're talking about?

	23-10-2004 01:33									#95
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LOL - I forgot to change my 'Poly sig (now done)

I just caught a glimpse of the quote as the post took effect really quickly - but it was Tolkein in an old interview giving (I think) the origins of the name Minas Tirith

	23-10-2004 06:03									#96
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I dunno what you guys are talking about...?

I'll go look in the embassy...


Edit: what the heck, I'll go look in all the embassies.

	23-10-2004 06:34									#97
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KK:

We're talking about the message you get when waiting for 'Poly to load your reply

See my post below:

	23-10-2004 06:37									#98
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like this: (except the "something to think about" was a quote from Tolkein on how he came up with the name Minas Tirith for LOTR

Attachment: waiting.jpg
This has been downloaded 25 time(s).

	23-10-2004 06:48									#99
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Oh.
Duh.
Okay.
Thank you...

	23-10-2004 07:25									#100
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Like this, eh?

Death. Destruction. Disease. Horror. That's what war is all about.
That's what makes it a thing to be avoided.
-- Kirk, "A Taste of Armageddon", stardate 3193.0

	23-10-2004 07:35									#101
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Yes. The quote database is notorious for a mindnumbing abundance of Star Trek quotes, few of which are really quotable. We compiled a list of the quotes you have in the SMAC text files, but I don't think the admins ever added them to the database even after I had toiled for a couple of hours to format them properly.

	23-10-2004 07:41									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia Yes. The quote database is notorious for a mindnumbing abundance of Star Trek quotes, few of which are really quotable. ...

Oh no they're not!

I was around when Kirk was just starting to save the galaxy. This stuff is immortal (to people like me).

	23-10-2004 07:58									#103
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Oh, and certainly there are TNG quotes there too, from the time I was a bright-eyed child. But it's as if someone's dumped entire scripts in there.

	24-10-2004 03:07									#104
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I see that the Angels have pulled out of a posible Ind Econ for Flex trade (roleplaying, "in character" that the embargo we are proposing cramps free flow of information - neat argument)

How about offering Gene Splicing for Industrial Economics, straight up, no embargo (only Morgan doesn't have it, and they'll (Angels) will get it from the gaians in 5 years anyway - we can even say that, 'cos they'll know it already)

(I know I was promoting a Soc Psych exchange, but it doesn't sound so desperate when we ask for a level 2 tech - Industrial Economics (opens the path to Environ Econ) for our level 3, instead of asking for a measly level 1 tech)

	24-10-2004 04:25									#105
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Yeah, I'd go with that. Better getting something out of it than nothing.

	24-10-2004 05:16									#106
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If this is all correct, I'd say to let them hang for now.
Look at it again in 3+ years.
We're not making a breakthrough ourselves till after the embargo has been lifted. We don't have a need for either technology in the next 4 years, for sure.

	24-10-2004 05:24									#107
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True - but it's a case of trying to get something for Gene Splicing before the Gaians are free to trade it to the Angels (and to Morgan after they meet/communicate)

So it's really a "suggestion" to the Angels:

Look, we both know you can get GS from the Gaians after 2149, but you can get it working for you now, by trading Ind Econ to us (which we can get by probing it away from any of the factions, but that'll take us five or so turns. So let's deal now on a 1 for 1 basis, and we can both enjoy the benefits of those techs for these five or so years

(And they'd prolly have to give something of much greater value to the Gaians for GS anyway - they're the "friends" who sold them our commlink after selling theirs to us, remember. So I'm not sure that the Angels would be above "tweaking the G's nose" on this tech)

	24-10-2004 05:34									#108
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Damn!
i really have to go when i just saw this...


Okay.

But wrangle something else from them. i don't care if it's as measly as 24 e.c.'s or "future considerations" - just get something else in the deal too.

	24-10-2004 05:49									#109
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The Gaians never did respond to our question if they had Prog Psych (level 1 tech)

And we know that Biogenetics, Social Psych and Ind Econ are out there (2 x level 1's and a level 2)

We're sitting on Nonlinear Math, Secrets, Doc Flex, Ethical Calculus and Gene Splicing (4 x level 2's and a level 3)

Why can't wqe get a deal going with anyone?

Or do we just pull in all offers and crank out some more probes? Get our techs that way? (Much as that intial foray into strategy discussion took us a couple of months ago)

	24-10-2004 06:40									#110
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What really bothers me is that no one so far has offered us a proposal. Or there might have been one or two, I'm not sure, but we have been the active ones in diplomacy. Why the heck is that? Are they just lethargic, or precautious with little contact with the other factions?

	24-10-2004 06:47									#111
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I think the latter.

The Gaians and Angels seem to have been trading, although prolly not with Yang. Then we come along. And Morgan has only met Yang and us.

I think they are all being somewhat cautious.

	24-10-2004 22:43									#112
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Hmm - Angels have only 1 hour left to pass on the turn - I wonder what keeps them so long (certainly not negotiations with us .................)

Edit: I see they made it with 24 minutes to spare

Last edited by Googlie on 24-10-2004 at 23:48

	25-10-2004 02:27									#113
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Me not worried about no one wanting to trade with us.
They're loss, as long as we stay in central role between all factions.
Me somewhat worried that the A's and G's are working together.

	25-10-2004 02:52									#114
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quote: Originally posted by KrysiasKrusader ................. the A's and G's are working together.

Although it appears that the Gaians stiffed the A's out of Applied Physics in exchange for our commlink after they had sold the A's commlink to us.

maybe we can slip the knie in and give it a little twist "we wouldn't have done that to a Pactmate or to a dear friend, now would we?"

	26-10-2004 02:01									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie maybe we can slip the knie in and give it a little twist "we wouldn't have done that to a Pactmate or to a dear friend, now would we?"

Sure. Go fot it.

	26-10-2004 18:16									#116
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2144 turn is open. The Angels have not accepted the profferred Treaty.

I think we should remove our Treaty offer from the table and just slam the door on any further Angels communications for the time being

Stony indifference should be our public face to them (and try to get Soc psych from Lal for Ecol Eng, as Maniac suggested and I added in the turnplay thread)

	26-10-2004 19:08									#117
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Uhm, I just suggested the GS<->SP trade to them. Should I pull it back?

	26-10-2004 19:24									#118
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Naw - lal won't talk to us, so the Angels might bite.

And see the turn thread- I'm editing it as I play - do we want 25 ec's or Polysoft from Yang for GS?

	30-10-2004 00:24									#119
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I guess the Angels don't have SocPsych as they offer Biogenetics instead.

Will we give them the following reply?

"Unfortunately Biogenetics has practically no value at all for us - it only increases our tech costs and we give our warriors an honourable burial anyway instead of throwing them in rec tanks. Currently we'd attach to Biogen a value of only 25 credits or so.
That's why we were wondering, in the interest of finding a deal after all, how would you think of a straight IndEcon<->Gene Splicing trade, without embargo.

	30-10-2004 01:28									#120
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Fine by me.