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mart7x5 is offline mart7x5
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Sep 2002
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2147:


  • We are ready to instabuild Virtual World. Looking at the situation I would go for using AA for it and sparing 1 more crawler, unless it is necessary to get a technology with it. I think if we use 8 crawlers now. We are left with 2, which will help replacing them, and as my estimate is, in 2151 or 2152 we should have new 10 crawlers for PEG this way. We may hurry them a little though, but this is allowed, as I understood rules.
  • Move our probe teams 2 tiles to the forest indicated. If luck helps and trail is clear, we have probe actions in 2149!
  • Spoted north-west mindworm boil moved south. This may give it opportunity to locate itself in 2149 on the one of the 2 tiles in dark blue circles. We may be able to take it out from there, but some serious units movement is needed. We may spot it on the east circle, but west is outside sensor range. Thus maybe use scout from Kahlua probing to check west circle and possible attack. We might get this unit upgraded on a monolith for this - it will be attack on fungus - what if chances are 2:2? we may face possible dfeat.
  • Maybe a former north from hive synth might start a forest there? and former from Hercules Station make road to Heaven's Gate further?


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Ok with this so far. Let's check situ re AA. I mean that AA can also be useful for that surprise tech advance.

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I still favour saving the AA for future use. We can build VW without it but as you say using an extra former.

Note that if you check Morgan tech trade box. Yes they do have Progenitor Psych, but also note they do not require Spartan comm link.

ie The Spartans are in contact with Morgan and vice versa.

We should question the Spartans about this. What exactly is there relationship.?

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I am all for building roads first.

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Took a look at it and have nothing much new to add.

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There are help programs for SMAC and SMACX. They are both external and would allow me to look at exactly what everyone is doing.

HIGHLY ELIGAL by the rules. That is why I asked so I could do something legaly. Thankyou; and I believe more suggestions will be forthcomming after an analysis of our progress so far.


Ehr. Yes. Anything that would allow you to view what others are doing would be highly illegal. However, I'm not familiar with these programs. Could you explain to me what they do and are used for?

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I have not detected any human controlled faction building a Virtual World. Zakharov is doing it for long time.

So the situation is as follows:
I cashed 9 crawlers and 2 formers. We have 232/240 minerals now for VW.
Enigma Machine has mineral output: 6 - 1 = 5
In order to complete it next turn we actually need only 3 minerals in addition for those 5. Although for security reasons I would hurry at least 5. This way, even we loose some expected minerals from those 5 from the field, e.g. due to sudden mindworm appearing, though we have sensors there, we are safe. Alternativelly I may hurry all 8, but it may be too expensive. Anyway we have 54 EC in this turn.
Hurrying 5 min will cost 20 EC
Hurrying 8 min will cost 32 EC.

I guess Zakharov will not complete VW next year, but I may be wrong. How AI chooses it, if AI faction and human controlled builds SP the same turn? I guess in multiplayer first wins anyway, as opposed to singleplayer where human player is preferred. Anyway, will we have any preference if I hurry 8 minerals instead of 5?
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I need just to add - I cannot use any more formers at the moment. No more movement poits among those in range. And it really does not matter. Each disbanded former is anyway like paying 4 EC/ mineral.

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Ehr. Yes. Anything that would allow you to view what others are doing would be highly illegal. However, I'm not familiar with these programs. Could you explain to me what they do and are used for?


The three big ones are:

ACEdit 2.0 which lets you look at SMAC seeings and reorder/subtract factions without going into the INI.

AChelp and AXhelp which lets you look at all the other faction is doing as if you were that faction.

Do you want me to upload the zips so you can look at them. The size is 1/3 to 1/2 meg. each.

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Best not to bother, I havn't got SMAC installed currently...

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I intend to complete and post the turn in less than 2 hours. Our time is almost up, so if noone answers I will make the decision myself. I think of hurrying 5 minerals. We may need some more energy later to hurry some crawlers soon.
According to my estimations we should have 10 crawlers ready for next SP in 2151.

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yeah Mart go for it.

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I finally went for all hurry. So we probably gonna have this first Angel SP. We might have look for a bottle of champagne.

Our probe teams under rover escort are approaching the closest visible hive base. They are already on Hive territory and if everything goes right we gonna have infiltration on 2149. No hive presence was detected on that rocky terrain, which will be our next path tile. Keep your fingers crossed...

I will prepare a screenie for discussion of 2148

And here is presend 2147:

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* GeoModder opens the bottle of champaign for two reasons...

Now I can start my 'virtual' trip to Earth anno 2004-2005 in peace. 29 hours for lift off!

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2148

  • First, we have completed the Virtual World in Enigma Machine.
  • There was a mindworm attack on the former building road near Heaven's Gate. Former unit was wiped out. I would propose to move a rover nearby south and attack the mindworm
  • The western mindworm moved west, thus the alert in Kahlua Probing will not be necessary, at least for now.
  • Move probe team units and their escort to the indicated rocky terrain in direction of a hive base


Any discussion? proposals?

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Yeah the Virtual World

Also we can move supply crawler at Verres rock to the mine and put worker elsewhere.

Let's get pumping crawlers and re home one/two at rock sissors stone for future foil probe.building.

Maybe before the Next SP we can have KodyCopter just building crawlers? to the level of a crawler a turn.

I know we need to build Network nodes and Recycling Tanks I am just trying to figure the most efficient way. Maybe start a Network node at Enigma as we will need some drone soothing facilities soon.

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Ok with moving probes towards Yang.

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I tried to analyze our crawlers situation. In order to have 10 of them in 2151 we will need make some effort:

code:
EMach ---------52------ | 1 GPlex 49-------52------ | 2 HGate ---------52------ | 0 HStat ----------------- | 0 KProb ---50-------53--- | 1 Kodyc 49----51----53--- | 2 RPSci ---50----------54 | 1 SHaev ---------52------ | 1 VLoft ------51-------54 | 1 9

I omitted year 53 and 54. This expected number 9 crawlers in 2152 is without them. Also the one in HGate will be probably too far to be cashed for next SP. HercStation too - too young base now. We have 2 crawlers now. Thus we would have 11 on 2152.

Also, I would rather move the crawler from Verres Loft into western direction. From that mine north it may be too late to be cashed in for SP in 2152 or 2153.

We may be able to have actually 10 crawlers in 2151, by hurrying some of them:

EMachine
Googlieplex
SnowflakeH

Thus taking one more turn for crawlers to reach destination we instabuild next SP in 2152.

Do we have its location decided?

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Also:

In 2150 RPS starts foil probe
After around 2152 (PEG) we might ease crawlers and start other needed stuff - network nodes, rec tanks, foils, military, etc.
How about it? Just a rough draft, based on what you wrote few posts above, Hercules.

Would we want to delay PEG? May Morgan pull some nasty trick and get it before 2153?

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Re Verres Loft. Ok I tend to agree re moving crawler westerly.


What's the position regarding what we are researching atm. We received Doc: Mob and Doc: Loy what were our new choices. Was Adaptive Econ offered.

If so we will know in 2150 by offering Adapt Econ to Morgan whether they have that tech or not. The outcome of that will influence our decision obviously.

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Also we will need forests and roads etc for these crawlers to harvest from. So what's next for them?

Civilian Jones where are you?

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I haven't switched the techs yet. Intend to do it, when actually playing the turn. So far I just opened it and checked the status, made screenie, etc.

I think I will do it soon. Almost have all info needed.
Good point re- Adaptive Economics. I just forgot about it
and a new thought:
With morganic energy, they may rebuild crawlers fast probably. They may in the same turn research Adaptive Economics and instabuild PEG. We will be surprised then

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Looking at the tech offered spreadsheet macro, I think Adaptive Econ will be offered. However so also will Doc: Flex.

I wonder should we go for Doc: Flex first to be safe in case Spartans play games. When we receive Doc: Flex I believe we can then switch to Adaptive Econ because I think it will be offered at that stage also.

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Re Base for next SP. maybe KodyCopter because if we need another crawler that may be the fastest place to rush it, so that it would be built and ready to use the following turn. Also it is within easy reach of most of the others.

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Around 4 hours to deadline and some nasty issue with SMAX file recognition. Please, Angels, come down from your heavenly floating in virtual heaven and attend (earthly) chironly matters...

See also Infotrader thread for urgent development of diplomacy with Spartans.

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Before the turns come in - if there is clear path to the hive base - it will be infiltrated with one probe team. What we do with the other? Attempt any other action? Will we risk war?

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With no troops to protect us I would not.

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I share this feeling. We can actually infiltrate, then see what Hive has and then consider any other actions.

We were so unlucky so far with getting through the Hive lines, that it would be extremely bad luck to have again something obstructing probe team way...

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Send 2 scouts to rcon the boarder and depending on what they find send out the probs accordingly.

While doing this continue the Tech build and the Tera use.

In the background continue the Diplomacy game.

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Turn 2149 on opening.

We received Doc Flex and can switch to Adaptive Econ. which will be discovered in 2151 but could be discovered in 2150. ? To be discussed.

Unfortunately Mr Yang has sent an Impact Rover and and Impact Infantry to face off our rover and infoprobes. But has not declared Vendetta: still Truce status.

The MW at N. West has moved closer to Heavens Gate, but can be reached by our hardened rover.

 
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