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2149
- We received Doctrine Flexibility from Spartans. We transfer it pre-accepted to Gaian Union.
- Land connection to Human Hive is kinda "cursed". Do we withdraw as indicated to the forest tile south-west? Yang may attack either using Impact Speeder or Impact infantry. I would not expect this task force to survive this.
- We could attack the mindworm near Heaven's Gate with scout from the base, but it might be risky. So finally do we agree on using rover as planned?
- What to do with the former near Hercules station? Help the other former nearby to build road north-east?
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We could also go for 2152, and save this way Alien Artifact. We will have 9 crawlers by then able to reach Enigma Machine. We can use 3 formers in addition, what will be sufficient to complete PEG. We would have to "kill" research a bit to make it done in 2152 - just to feel safe about Morgans spotting our tech.
I am not sure about 2151, I have to calculate yet, how many crawlers we will have. Hercules, you maybe estimated that yet?
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One more thought - Morganities got Prog Psych in 2145. They would have to have 7 turns per tech this way to be faster than us in 2152. Is it possible? might be!!! Their votes are now 43!!!
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Hercules
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in Tir Na Og
Sep 2002
time: 05:21
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Here's my calculations for 2151: With crawlers within 1 move to reach Enigma on 2151
Kody: 2 atm, rush current production = 3 and move to within 1 move of Enigma in 2150.
RPS: 1completes in 2150(rush if necessary) and move in 2150 to within 1 move of enigma
Kahlua: 1 completed in 2150, ready
Verres Loft: move crawler to within 1, this turn or next
the second crawler becomes available in 2150 but can only get to within 1 1/3 moves.
Googlieplex: move to within 1 move of Enigma.
That's 7 within 1 move of Enigma by 2151.
We currently could have 59 ecs if mw killed and ecs collected.
Rushing crawler in Snowflake would cost 37 ecs atm but I estimate about 25 max in 2150 to rush to be available in 2151
Rushing crawler in Enigma, currently 88ecs might cost 27/28/30 in 2150.
Shifting settings to optimum setting with psych at 40 and econ at 30?( needs checked) will deliver 18 ecs next turn plus whatever we get for stockpile. (Labs should deliver 10 next turn and 10 after that for completion in 2151.
This means we should be able to afford to rush the 2 crawlers (Snowflake and Enigma) next turn.
That would be 9 crawlers.
Next move former near Kahlua to 17, 67 to be able to reach Enigma in 1, Move former to help with farm at 22,66
So without using the AA we could have 9 crawlers and 2 formers and a very small amount of ecs.
If pushed we could halt former farm production, at 22,66 to make that former also available for disband.
And if further pushed, halt former forest production, near Enigma to move it nearer Enigma.
So without cashing the AA we could have 9 crawlers, 2 formers and another 2 formers to build PEG. Would that be enough?
Dare we wait a further year to 2152.
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It would be actually even not that expensive: PEG cost is 30 rows. We need 9 crawlers + 2(3)formers. We could maybe use 2 formers and let the last row accumulate with a little of help and some security 2 mineral purchase. This is as follows:
crawlers:
4 - we have now
1 - EM hurried (2150) 22 EC (full) for min for PEG in 2151
1 - KP no hurry necessary
1 - SH, I can rehome crawler from VL, so no hurry
1 - RPS, no hurry
1 - KC, with 2 min from current crwl, hurry (2150) 6EC only
this is total 9. Googlieplex would be 10 crawler, but since there is less than 10 now, we would have to pay 8 EC/min now...
Total energy spendings:
minimum = 36 EC
safe (2mineral) = 44 EC
full (2 formers cashed) = 64 EC
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The presend.
- The attack on mw gave 20 EC. The bar of the rover is still green. Will need to heal though in base as usuall.
- Hurried crawler in Kodycryptor. Also the one in RPS to full minerals, in order to have intended probe foil as soon as possible. We are going to have enough energy it seems. Now 47. In 2151, 2x14=28, plus 47 = 75. It is over the amount we will need.
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Sme thoughts on future production plans, please review:
- RPS base will start probe foil, probably we all feel it is needed there, and it was already proposed by someone. Probe foil has 3 rows if i'm not mistaken. When built, the probe foil may reach that unlucky hive base in 3 turns, although I doubt that there is going to be no fungus on some tiles there...
- Heaven's gate. It will soon complete a crawler. Maybe we would start perimeter defense? 100% to defense in that spot may save us a lot of grief in case Yang feels like a little "exercise" in DA territory
- Enigma Machine. Maybe Network Node? It already has Recycling tanks, so this might be good place for it, and cashing AA for some technology, if decided to do so. Also the best energy in that base - the best research benefit.
- Kahlua Probing. Recycling tanks also there. I think maybe 1) crawler or 2) Command Center. Why command center? I would value military units morale. Right after it is done (hurried, I guess), we may build scout defensive unit - just in case, if we do not have armor 3 fast. (1-2-2) The cost of it is the same as 1-2-1.
- Kodycryptor. Pump in some more crawlers there, as you Hercules already proposed.
- Veres Loft. Finally put next crawler on that mine and start build more crawlers.
- Snowflake Heaven. Maybe Recycling tanks? and then Network Node? base close to HQ so a lot of energy.
- Googlieplex. Command Center too? It might then be used to build first offensive unit, for possible counterattack - if Yang bothers us.
- Hercules Station. Still a lot of time before this base will complete current crawler there. Just started we can alter it.
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Gaians are researching Ecological Eng., as far as I know. We will probably think of exchanging this with Gaians. So this will be taken care of that way. Unfortunatelly our next technology maybe dictated by need of getting Ethical Calculus ASAP. By any means possible, so also our research. If we get it in other way, we just switch research then. Ethical Calculus would be usefull for us too. We need Social Psych in that place too...
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2150
- Withdraw probe team units two tiles as indicated to the forest? It will be already on our territory, so hive unit might stop the pursuit. We also could try probe it, though we need probably the energy more for the PEG.
- The second rover to Heaven's Gate?
- There is a mindworm north west to Kahlua Probing. It may finally approach the base. I would recommend to move AA to Enigma Machine, just in case...
- Second mindworm near Googlieplex. It appears it may attack in the next turn, however I had cases when a mw rather moved to a non-fungus tile, just positioning itself for clear shot. Will it do this time? If the scout fails on defence, we might have there a second unit to counter-attack. Where from to take it? We would have to endanger another base by pulling it out...Actually I have idea. Put 2 formers temporary on guard in EM, then move scout there towards Googlieplex. If mw kills our scout, we will get it
- The three formers east from EM - go on hold? We actually need only two formers for PEG, also the two west from EM will be available next turn, just the one the most to the west will help that one finishing forest, they will do it this turn and will be free on the next. We will have 5 formers to choose from. Security issue, we may put only one or two for making something else, and have 4-3 free of orders. Or we put three on orders and if needed pull them out.
- Started foil probe in RPS
 first Angelic boat...
- Command Nexus in Kahlua Probing, these can be changed of course.
- Another crawler in Kodycryptor.
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The 23,61 is rolling moist. presently we get 3-2-1. If replaced with farm-solar it will be 4-1-1, good for nutrient crawling when necessary and for future pop boom. and we still get minerals from forest harvest So do we want to do it now? this tile is 3 tiles away. From the current position, each former would loose a turn, maybe do a solar colector on 22,64 just before, then proceed to 23,61?
The 21,63 is canyon (+1mineral) now 3-2-1 and a sensor there. If replaced with farm it will be 4-1-0. In order to get an energy point back we would need to replace sensor with solar colector. I wouldn't recommend this, we need that sensor. And also this tile after lifting restrictions will be 3-3-1, and rather better for a worker than a crawler.
How about that stationing former temporarily in EM for possible mw catch near Googlieplex? EM is not in the vicinity of any fungus. It is unlikely anything will threaten this former in the base, and even if true, the original scout will be back just right away. Noone commented on this so far.
I will heal the rover on monolith and for possible later mw catch near Kahlua Probing as proposed.
And acknowledged, crawlers will be shuffled in order to get he best yield for PEG. I will try to get 10 mineral/turn in EM and having full minerals now - this way we may even save a former!!! I will see
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We can order them to work on a tile near EM for now, and if needed they will be pulled back, if not needed for PEG they will just continue - that is a good course of action probably for now.
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quote:
Originally posted by Hercules
... Price to subvert impact unit was 113ecs (which we don't have) but that's not a bad price for acquiring impact.
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Hmm, I see a great benefit here. Let's say we simultaneously probe hive for technologies and get some of his units just when it will no longer matter. It will be war anyway. Let's hope that single unit there will stay. Impact attack and armor 3 is just exactly what we need.
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Hercules
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in Tir Na Og
Sep 2002
time: 05:21
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Oh and as little change per tile as possible. Current tile builds don't need changing atm in my view.
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Hercules
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in Tir Na Og
Sep 2002
time: 05:21
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Re the former in EM as part of defence in Googliplex?. Ok with proposal. Will it keep us out of drones?
And can we still deliver PEG with/without Drone riots?
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Well, that is the issue - if drones will be a problem, then maybe snowflake's H? I will see how it looks. After all it is for the worst case only - our scout fails to defend. But then also we need a replacement.
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I will also join calls of Forester for stronger army. Preferably (at this moment) we need some fast reaction troops for mindworm alerts like that. Right now we have two boils. Might that go even worse? Probably.
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Ok, so the turn is now...
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the presend 2150:
edit: the presend is not quite complete, i forgot to rebase the AA, but i did it just after one final checkup, so AA is now in EM
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