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DanS is offline DanS
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Only a nanny government can save y'all! It will wipe your bottom and nurse you to sleep. So says Chirac, who's worried about the onslaught of Hollywood movies on unsuspecting Vietnamese.

Maybe I should repost this in the "stupid people in the news" thread?

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HANOI, Oct 7 (AFP) - French President Jacques Chirac warned Thursday of a "catastrophe" for global diversity if the United States' cultural hegemony goes unchallenged.

Speaking at a French cultural centre in Hanoi ahead of Friday's opening of a summit of European and Asian leaders, Chirac said France was right to stand up for cultural and linguistic diversity.

The outspoken French president warned that the world's different cultures could be "choked" by US values.

This, he said, would lead to a "general world sub-culture" based around the English language, which would be "a real ecological catastrophe".

Citing Hollywood's stranglehold over the film industry as an example, Chirac stressed that only with government assistance could countries maintain their cultural heritage.

Vietnam is a former French colony, but only around 375,000 of its 81 million people speak French. English is considered by most people a far more valuable and practical second language, particularly among businessmen.

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France sucks. Chirac sucks. What's new?

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He's right on that one.

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Like somebody's forcing y'all to watch Hollywood movies.

Hollywood movies aren't even Hollywood movies any more. They're all from Australia and New Zealand!

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There already is a world-wide sub-culture based on the English language, its called business.

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And science.

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Fvck France

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Its the Japenesse who realy control the Pop-culture, all our children are being brainwashed by their saturdaymorning cartoons. That and their Anime is better then most of our movies too.

Oh and I am shure this is all a plot by the French to spread their own cultural hegomony across the globe. Then after everyone else is dead from Cholesterl laden Pastry Heart-Attacks the French be the only ones remaining and will rule the world. (But then who would they surender too?)

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Being overrun by USAian culture is one thing, but having local childrens entertainment beaten by Japanese anime is so galling, Chirac can not even mention it.

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Does anybody apart from the French really care about non coercive cultural diffusion?

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Non coercive? What are you talking about? Every French town has an executive sent from Hollywood whose sole job is to kidnap passerby, steal E8.50 from them and force them to watch Bourne Identity. Chirac is just protecting the Vietnamese from the same fate!

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Being overrun by USAian culture is one thing, but having local childrens entertainment beaten by Japanese anime is so galling, Chirac can not even mention it.


Its so gauling

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Its the Japenesse who realy control the Pop-culture, all our children are being brainwashed by their saturdaymorning cartoons. That and their Anime is better then most of our movies too.

Oh and I am shure this is all a plot by the French to spread their own cultural hegomony across the globe. Then after everyone else is dead from Cholesterl laden Pastry Heart-Attacks the French be the only ones remaining and will rule the world. (But then who would they surender too?)


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Does anybody apart from the French really care about non coercive cultural diffusion?


Marketing is coercive.

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How many of yous have your minds sucked up by countless films - infinite corruption and rubbish and falsness stuffed into your brains?
France does not 'suck'. Chirac is a shite politician, he is not France. Is Holywood America?

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How many of yous have your minds sucked up by countless films - infinite corruption and rubbish and falsness stuffed into your brains?
France does not 'suck'. Chirac is a shite politician, he is not France. Is Holywood America?


Not me, I look at what is posted on the internet.

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and Chirac went WHEE , wee All the Way Home

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Does anybody apart from the French really care about non coercive cultural diffusion?


Marketing is coercive.


It is coercive, but not so much in a cospiritorial way.

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Does anybody apart from the French really care about non coercive cultural diffusion?


Marketing is coercive.


give me an example of such coercion then!

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I know that this seems a contradiction, seeing this is the internet in which we state our views, but surely you cannot be serious?
..................Ha ha, I see your joke. Good one. I am a pompous fool. Cheers for reminding me. All is futility!
All the best.

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Just wait till Bollywood takes over.

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I think Chirac is trying to increase his domestic popularity by engaging in US bashing.

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I would think France would be flatered, we learned all about cultura dominance from them in the first century of our existance.

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Just wait till Bollywood takes over.


When that time comes, I commit suicide

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This, he said, would lead to a "general world sub-culture" based around the English language, which would be "a real ecological catastrophe".

Bwa ha ha! My evil plot for the destruction of world culture is unfolding. *goes back to teaching english to koreans*

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So says the vanguard of the American cultural hegemony legions.

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It is coercive, but not so much in a cospiritorial way.


It's not coercive, but Chirac is right that American culture can be overwhelming. The economic power of the American entertainment industry, fueled by domestic earnings, gives it the potential to overwhelm smaller markets. This has nothing to do with the quality of the product, but rather the money available for marketing. If left unchecked, Amerian culture could choke off other cultures, although I think it is more likely that we'll see the rise of a multinational culture rather than a specific global Americanised culture.

 
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