08-10-2004 22:19									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker It's a catastrophe for you, maybe. Why the hell should we all be forced to stay "diverse" just to please your sense of aesthetics?

US culture pretty well sucks. It's nice to be able to do something anything different.

	08-10-2004 22:25									#92
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara US culture pretty well sucks. It's nice to be able to do something anything different.

What is stopping you?

	08-10-2004 22:25									#93
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Then there shouldn't be much of a worry of US culture choking out others if it sucks so much. Good to know you agree this is pointless French whining.

	08-10-2004 22:25									#94
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He's being choked by US values, Sprayber!

	08-10-2004 22:26									#95
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Coercion by Rushkoff. The marketing industry spends lots of money trying to figure out how people tick, in order to push just the right buttons to reduce the ability of people to make rational choices. It's all about psychological trickery.

I suppose only American advertising firms do this.

	08-10-2004 22:52									#96
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The basic problem is that we've got too much global communications compared to the amount of cultural diversion we've got, so as long as no-one imposes some more isolation, homogenization is gonna proceed. While I'd like to do something about it just to spite brats like Kuci, there's really little point to try.

	08-10-2004 22:58									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber I suppose only American advertising firms do this.

We're just the best at it.

USA! USA! USA!

	08-10-2004 23:09									#98
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quote: Originally posted by alva Hmm, I wonder if our American friends her will still have the same view on things, or if they will start spewing the same thing as Chirac.

If Bollywood takes over here it will be because we have been watching their movies en masse. In which case why would we piss and moan about the indians? Instead those who didn't like the bollywood influence will piss and moan about the lousy taste of their fellow movie goers.

	08-10-2004 23:13									#99
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quote: Originally posted by alva quote: quote: People are simply saying they don't want to be carbon-copies of the US Why not? Not all of us are aspiring to become fat ignorant gun crazed money chasing religious nationalistic zealots, that's why. diversity

Exactly! which is why I can immerse myself completely in US culture and yet remain a fit, gunless, agnostic nationalist zealot who made a concious career choice to do something interesting instead of something that would simply guarentee a fat paycheck.

US cultural products are most certainly not the roots of any of the problems you are afraid of (well except for possibly converting some of us into nationalist zealots and apparently that is working on the foreigners overseas as well! )

	08-10-2004 23:24									#100
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The whole world would be speaking French now if Joan of Arc hadn't shown up. Blame her.

Anyway, culture is fundamentally different from genetics (as Starchild suggests) or technology (like Spiffor suggests). It's neither. It's culture.

Whe you lose culture, it's not like forgetting a potentially useful technology or losing a possibly handy gene. It's like forgetting what you had for breakfast.

	08-10-2004 23:31									#101
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Coercion by Rushkoff. The marketing industry spends lots of money trying to figure out how people tick, in order to push just the right buttons to reduce the ability of people to make rational choices. It's all about psychological trickery.

So what? Our pollytubbie trolls also spend a lot of time trying to figure out how posters tick in order to push just the right buttons to reduce the ability of people to make rational choices. That's all about psychological trickery as well. And yet no one would argue that we are coerced into responding to a troll.

	08-10-2004 23:33									#102
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara US culture pretty well sucks. It's nice to be able to do something anything different.

yeah doesn't it just suck when other people have bad taste? too bad so sad. live with it.

	08-10-2004 23:36									#103
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OMFG FRANCE SUCKS CHIRAC IS THA GAY COMMIE BASTARD@@@@#@#

	08-10-2004 23:38									#104
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Jesus Christ, you americans are way too sensitive.

If someone rags on Canadian culture, I'djust think you don't know what you're talking about.

The fact that so many Americans get upset tells me you have a massive inferiority complex. And then I think why? Is it because deep down inside you think American culture is nebulous and shallow?

Come on guys, have a bit of faith in yourself.

	08-10-2004 23:39									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai Jesus Christ, you americans are way too sensitive. If someone rags on Canadian culture, I'djust think you don't know what you're talking about. The fact that so many Americans get upset tells me you have a massive inferiority complex. And then I think why? Is it because deep down inside you think American culture is nebulous and shallow? Come on guys, have a bit of faith in yourself.

You so greatly misunderstand my motives

	08-10-2004 23:41									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman The whole world would be speaking French now if Joan of Arc hadn't shown up. Blame her. Anyway, culture is fundamentally different from genetics (as Starchild suggests) or technology (like Spiffor suggests). It's neither. It's culture. Whe you lose culture, it's not like forgetting a potentially useful technology or losing a possibly handy gene. It's like forgetting what you had for breakfast.

Technically, I was talking about memes, not genes. Either way, it's not only useful but essential to keep variation for unforseeable future events. At the very least, it gives us an ability to compare different aspects of culture and pick the best. Memetic Engineering if you will.

And losing a culture is more than fogetting what you had for tea. If we had lost Ancient Greek culture's concepts on democracy where would we be today?

	08-10-2004 23:45									#107
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The prospect of losing the important aspects of French culture or Vietnamese culture because of American cultural imperialism doesn't even pass the giggle test. These folks are making mountains out of molehills.

	08-10-2004 23:49									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Geronimo You so greatly misunderstand my motives

No, I know you're being a troll.

	08-10-2004 23:53									#109
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quote: Originally posted by DanS The prospect of losing the important aspects of French culture or Vietnamese culture because of American cultural imperialism doesn't even pass the giggle test. These folks are making mountains out of molehills.

Now if you had just written the last sentence then that would make sense. Who gives a ****.

But no, you had to get a little jibe in which tells me you offended by what Chirac said. And that I don't understand. If I was an American, I'd move to Canada (just kidding). But really if I was an American, I'd say who give a flying **** about the French. IF the French want to ban everything American, who cares other than the French.

Although, maybe that's what you're trying to say.

	08-10-2004 23:54									#110
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara US culture pretty well sucks. It's nice to be able to do something anything different.

No it doesn suck. In order for something to suck, it would have to exist in the first place.

	08-10-2004 23:56									#111
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Then there shouldn't be much of a worry of US culture choking out others if it sucks so much.

Okay, it's 3am and I'm drunk. Something can suck big time and still choke out the good stuff. Just look at Micky Ds.

	08-10-2004 23:58									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Starchild Technically, I was talking about memes, not genes. Either way, it's not only useful but essential to keep variation for unforseeable future events. At the very least, it gives us an ability to compare different aspects of culture and pick the best. Memetic Engineering if you will. And losing a culture is more than fogetting what you had for tea. If we had lost Ancient Greek culture's concepts on democracy where would we be today?

Ah! But we did lose it didn't we? The Athenians lost to the Spartans and their democracy was totally expunged as a consequence of that war. We do not need to maintain cultures in active duty to call them up out of the reserves at a later date.

	09-10-2004 00:01									#113
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Curse you and your grasp of history. If anyone needs me, I'm going to be reading up on constructive interference of electron orbitals.

(still believes supporting minority cultures is a good thing)

	09-10-2004 00:09									#114
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quote: Originally posted by DanS The prospect of losing the important aspects of French culture or Vietnamese culture because of American cultural imperialism doesn't even pass the giggle test. These folks are making mountains out of molehills.

And the BS continues. In many places in the world, American music and films outrageously dominate local art. In Quebec alone, American films have over 80% market share. Last year local film productors were happy to achieve a 9% market share, up from 7% last year.

	09-10-2004 00:10									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber I suppose only American advertising firms do this.

And I suppose that they don't have more money than the Vietnamese ones to do so.

	09-10-2004 00:11									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber What is stopping you?

When was the last time that a Finnish movie played in a theater near you? A French one? A Russian one?

	09-10-2004 00:11									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris And the BS continues. In many places in the world, American music and films outrageously dominate local art. In Quebec alone, American films have over 80% market share. Last year local film productors were happy to achieve a 9% market share, up from 7% last year.

So what?

	09-10-2004 00:13									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris When was the last time that a Finnish movie played in a theater near you? A French one? A Russian one?

Crouching Tiger made it to a theater near me. Any decent foreign film (ie that audiences actually like to see) will succeed here.

	09-10-2004 00:13									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Geronimo So what?

Is it just me or has the tone of the arguement moved from debate to whine?

	09-10-2004 00:13									#120
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Yep. So what? Quebecois culture is in no way threatened by this. Y'all may feel threatened by it, but the fear is only backed up by an illusion.