19-10-2004 06:47									#1
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Recently, Bush began to constantly spew out the label "liberal" like nobody's business, when he has been talking about Kerry.


I resent the way Bush and others use the word "liberal" to tar others because there is NOTHING wrong with the principle of liberalism. Just as there is nothing wrong with the principle of conservatism.

They are both ideologies that adhere to fundamental, basic principles. It is only when you have extreme conservatives and extreme liberals running for president, that one should be concerned. Extremism of any ideology is never a good thing.


Having said that, I believe that Bush is closer to extreme conservatism than Kerry is to extreme liberalism. Bush has a stronger tie to the religious right than other past Republican presidents, for starters. So maybe Bush is trying to use this "liberalism is inherently bad" hyperbole to distract people from Bush's connection with more extreme conservative groups??


I am not ashamed of being liberal, but rather, proud, and I will be damned if the word "liberal" becomes the shameful, unspoken "L" word.

	19-10-2004 06:49									#2
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From what I gather, liberal has become something of an insult in middle America Just like "libertarian" or "Jew" was an insult in Nazi Germany... idiots prefer labels to fabric, as it were.

	19-10-2004 06:51									#3
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But it sickens me that there are some people who actually think they can try to use the word "liberal" to insult others.


I refuse to be cowed by such inane thoughts. If you're a liberal, be proud, and hold your head up high.

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	19-10-2004 06:52									#5
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quote: Extremism of any ideology is never a good thing.

i never understood your problem with extremism... referencing something dear to you, you should know there were a number of Republicans in 1860 who were viewed as extremists by even their own party members... William Lloyd Garrison... John Brown... were they bad?

	19-10-2004 06:53									#6
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You damned Liberal .

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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer i never understood your problem with extremism... referencing something dear to you, you should know there were a number of Republicans in 1860 who were viewed as extremists by even their own party members... William Lloyd Garrison... John Brown... were they bad?

I should have qualified my statement.

	19-10-2004 06:54									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui You damned Liberal .

Ya wanna take this outside, mister!?

	19-10-2004 06:55									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui You damned Liberal .

Commie bastard...

	19-10-2004 06:56									#10
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Yeah, I'll take both of you! In the name of The Reagan!

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quote: It is only when you have extreme conservatives and extreme liberals running for president, that one should be concerned. Extremism of any ideology is never a good thing.

so abolitionists who were championing complete equality and 40 acres and a mule had no place running for presidnet in 1860?

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Yeah, I'll take both of you! In the name of The Reagan!

The Reagan!

	19-10-2004 06:59									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Yeah, I'll take both of you! In the name of The Reagan!

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	19-10-2004 07:10									#14
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Ha, he is desperate. 1) That means nothing 2) No he isn't.

Kerry can't pay for jack-crappo ("I will roll back tax cuts" ) so therefore he is a liberal in a bad sense.

It is no worse than Kerry calling Cheney's daughter out on her homosexuality in a debate. But somehow that isn't desperate?

Coward

	19-10-2004 07:13									#15
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Oh goody, wiggy's here. Dance for us, monkey-boy!!

	19-10-2004 07:22									#16
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Bush is using that language because his polling is showing that it is having some impact.

Does anybody here think that Kerry isn't a liberal?

	19-10-2004 07:38									#17
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I know Bush isn't a conservative. That man spends like a crack addict who broke out of rehab.

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	19-10-2004 07:41									#18
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun I resent the way Bush and others use the word "liberal" to tar others because there is NOTHING wrong with the principle of liberalism.

If he were really insulting Kerry, he'd be refering to him as the Liberal Senator from the People's Republic of Taxachusettes.

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	19-10-2004 07:45									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy From what I gather, liberal has become something of an insult in middle America Just like "libertarian" or "Jew" was an insult in Nazi Germany... idiots prefer labels to fabric, as it were.

Libertarian was an insult in Nazi Germany?

	19-10-2004 08:03									#22
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Bush is using that language because his polling is showing that it is having some impact. Does anybody here think that Kerry isn't a liberal?

The problem is not that whether or not Kerry is a liberal.



The problem I have with Bush, is that he thinks he can use the word "liberal" in of itself as an insult. As if we are supposed to be scared of liberal politicians -- that they are somehow evil.

	19-10-2004 08:05									#23
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Obviously, the conservatives' reliance on the potential pejorativeness of labels show that they can wage any war - except one involving sound arguments.

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quote: The problem I have with Bush, is that he thinks he can use the word "liberal" in of itself as an insult. As if we are supposed to be scared of liberal politicians -- that they are somehow evil.

I think those who are scared of liberal politicians came by these opinions on their own accord. Bush hardly needs to imbue the word with his own meaning.

	19-10-2004 08:39									#25
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<-- Proud to be a liberal.

quote: Originally posted by Oerdin I know Bush isn't a conservative. That man spend like a crack addict who broke out of rehab.

Pat Buchanan's new book "How the Right Went Wrong" talks about how the neocons have subverted true conservatism -- for example, by enlarging the federal government and by spending money like a crack addict who broke out of rehab.

	19-10-2004 09:01									#26
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desperate?

you realize Bush is up by 8 points in the polls and he is going to absolutely crush John Kerry in the elecition, right?

	19-10-2004 09:05									#27
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8 points? What in one poll?

quote: Pat Buchanan's new book "How the Right Went Wrong" talks about how the neocons have subverted true conservatism -- for example, by enlarging the federal government and by spending money like a crack addict who broke out of rehab.

That's impossible. Neo-conservatism is a foriegn policy and has nothing to do with domestic policies.

	19-10-2004 09:06									#28
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun But it sickens me that there are some people who actually think they can try to use the word "liberal" to insult others. I refuse to be cowed by such inane thoughts. If you're a liberal, be proud, and hold your head up high.

I use it all the time.

liberals don't have a clue about the real world.

I stand by that remark.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui That's impossible. Neo-conservatism is a foriegn policy and has nothing to do with domestic policies.

well wouldn't that be the point, that 'conservatism' is now seen through the prism of foreign policy, and thus has been subverted?

	19-10-2004 09:15									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris well wouldn't that be the point, that 'conservatism' is now seen through the prism of foreign policy, and thus has been subverted?

Um no, not in terms of domestic spending. What would spending on a Medicare prescription drug benefit have anything to do with foriegn policy?