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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:20
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Originally posted by DanS
Bush is using that language because his polling is showing that it is having some impact.
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Which doesn't say much about American voters. Apparently, y'all can be swayed by name calling.
"Did ya hear that Mabel? That Kerry fellow's a Liberal. I ain't gonna vote for him no way."
[My attempt at classic, proper Elizabethan English]
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Rufus T. Firefly
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is one way of saying it, though I prefer "mensch"
Sep 2000
time: 07:20
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The demonization of "liberal" goes back to at least Bush I, who spewed that crap non-stop while running against Dukakis (who himself was more a Clinton/Gore moderate wonk than a liberal).
What's really ironic is that polls have repeatedly shown that most Americans are actually liberals. That is, when polled on a variety of political issues, most Americans favor liberal positions (gun control, abortion rights, environmental regulation, higher government spending in exchange for more services, single-payer health care, etc.).
It's a tribute to the GOP propoganda machine that they've managed to demonize the term 'liberal" in the face of such support for liberal policies.
And just because Dino Doc has again brought up that Gallup poll, I feel obliged to point out that today's daily tracking poll in Slate has Kerry winning the Electoral college for the first time since the race began.
So maybe he is getting desparate. Or, per my new sig, maybe that's just how he always is...
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Imran Siddiqui
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The Potterverse
Jan 1970
time: 00:20
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Not true. Americans simply do not trust the market more than they trust the government; libertarians do. |
http://www.nationalcenter.org/WCT012004.html
(I know the site is partisan, but it references a Gallup poll, which isn't partisan)
quote:
Overall political philosophy: According to an October-November 2003 Gallup poll, 41 percent of Americans identify as conservative, 39 percent as moderate and 19 percent as liberal. A year before, the percentages were 38, 39 and 19; in 2001, 38, 40 and 19; in 2000, 37, 42 and 20.
Taxation: A September 2003 Gallup poll asked: "Do you think the tax cuts recently signed into law by George W. Bush were -- a good idea (or) a bad idea -- at this time?" 49 percent said good; 46 percent said bad; 5 percent had no opinion.
Health Care: A November 2003 Gallup poll asked: "Which of the following approaches for providing health care in the United States would you prefer -- replacing the current health care system with a new government-run health care system, or maintaining the current system based mostly on private health insurance?" 38 percent wanted a government-run health care system; 57 percent wanted to maintain a system of private insurance, and 5 percent had no opinion.
Education: A January 2003 Gallup poll found that 57 percent of the public agreed with President Bush's approach toward education issues, with 30 percent disapproving and 13 percent having no opinion. Of the six Gallup polls asking this question since Bush's inauguration, Bush's education policies received 57 percent or more approval in each poll. (No Gallup polls were available on Gallup's website asking a more narrow question about education spending levels.)
Social Security: The three Gallup polls asking about public support for President Bush's position on Social Security since Bush's inauguration found approval for Bush's policies outpolling disapproval by a range of 7 - 18 percentage points, depending upon the poll. Ten times since 2000, Gallup has asked: "A proposal has been made that would allow people to put a portion of their Social Security payroll taxes into personal retirement accounts that would be invested in private stocks and bonds. Do you favor or oppose this proposal?" Each time, public support for partial privatization vastly outweighed opposition -- at times by a 2-1 margin. In the most recent poll, conducted in October 2003, 62 percent favored partial privatization, 34 percent opposed it, and 2 percent had no opinion.
Environment: The only 2003 Gallup poll asking about public support for Bush's policies on the environment found 53 percent approval and 37 percent disapproval, with 10 percent having no opinion. Approval for Bush's environmental policies outpolled disapproval in all published Gallup polls conducted since Bush's inauguration. Polls show that Americans of all political persuasions do support environmental protection -- but apparently tend to be more comfortable than not with the conservative Bush Administration's approach to it.
Corporate regulation: The most recent of five Gallup polls asking "In general, do you think there is too much, too little or about the right amount of government regulation of business and industry?," found 35 percent saying there is too much regulation; 31 percent saying it is about right; 33 percent saying there is too little and 3 percent having no opinion. All five Gallup polls asking this question had similar responses. |
If we look at non-Bush questions (and trends) from this 2003 Gallup poll, we see the American public considers themselves more conservative, are AGAINST national health care, are FOR a partial privatization of Social Security, and equal numbers of Americans consider regulation too much / just right / too little.
Sounds very fiscally right-wing to me. And I realize that Americans are socially left-wing. In the end, libertarian.
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Rufus T. Firefly
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is one way of saying it, though I prefer "mensch"
Sep 2000
time: 07:20
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No offense, Imran, but your quote is irrelevant, for two reasons:
1) The polls asked people if they "agreed with the president." They didn't asked if people knew and understood the policies, nor did they ask if they favored those policies over others. Especially post-9/11, asking people if they "agree with teh president" is going to elicit an artificially high number of "yes" responses.
2) Second, asking if people favor "regulation" will always (since Reagan, anyway) elicit al artificially high number of "no" responses. But ask them about specific regulations, and people tend to be in favor of them.
In these polls, The People always come off like Joseph II in Amadeus complaining that a Mozart composition has "too many notes." When pressed on the question of which notes to get rid of, they're stumped. It's the same with regulation.
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19-10-2004 09:18
The point is that many people who label themselves as conservatives are primarily doing it based on their adherence to an ideology about foreign policy, and that in this process 'true' conservatism wrt to domestic policy has been evacuated from the political spectrum.
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