23-10-2004 06:39									#1
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Just to give y'all a heads up, I'm gonna be on Fox News (in the US) tomorrow afternoon at 5:45 PM EST. I'll be talking about lowering the voting age with host Greg Jarrett (i don't have cable, so I don't know the guy) and some opposition person.

Tune in if you're interested in seeing a fellow 'polytoner on live, nationwide TV.

btw, for more information on this subject, check out http://www.youthrights.org

Last edited by OzzyKP on 23-10-2004 at 07:40

	23-10-2004 06:47									#2
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Yeah right... I'll bet you are the drunk, naked guy being chased by the police in their "weirdo of the day" segment.

	23-10-2004 06:47									#3
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Cool

Though I still think you're insane

EDIT: strange, that it makes a certain amount of sense even though it was an xpost

	23-10-2004 06:59									#4
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I dare you to slip the word SuperCitizen in it somewhere

WEll anyways, pretty cool! Keep it tough!

	23-10-2004 07:02									#5
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Hmmm, I might actually be able to fit that in....

What would you give me?

	23-10-2004 07:04									#6
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somebody needs to record in and post it on their website so we can all see it

I have to work, so I can't see it.

	23-10-2004 07:06									#7
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Ozzy: Why do you think children are mature or smart enough to vote?

	23-10-2004 07:15									#8
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OzzyKP, My never ending admiration?
But seriously, just do your own thing..

	23-10-2004 07:17									#9
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Tass, I have no problem with kids voting. THey are generally more educated about the issues than adults are. Mainly because they talk about them at school, while adults are too hopped up on goof balls to care.

	23-10-2004 07:20									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar Ozzy: Why do you think children are mature or smart enough to vote?

Well first of all I'm not talking about 5 year olds. But teens are certainly smart enough to vote. I know some pretty dumb, ignorant adult voters. If they have a right to vote, then it is absolutely unjust to prohibit young people. There is no requirement voters be smart, educated, literate or even sane.

	23-10-2004 07:22									#11
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I think voting has something to do with taxation however.... the whole deal is taxation = representation (aka vote). Dependent kids are a tax break for parents, they rarely pay any.

(I'm just throwing out some opposition, I actually think the 1/2 vote thing is a good idea. IT was started by some kook here in San Jose by the way.)

	23-10-2004 07:22									#12
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actually Ozzy may have a point.

at first the idea seems stupid. but it's not like we are forcing kids to vote. most wont' vote anyways. The only one's who will vote are the one's that care about politics. They are probably just as informed as any adult voter, if not more so.

	23-10-2004 07:25									#13
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Exactly Diss.

And Japher, youth DO pay taxes, an estimated $9.7 Billion in sales taxes alone each year. And can get charged as adults for crimes, and pending the Supreme Court decision can get put to death.

	23-10-2004 07:25									#14
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Diss you are more wrong than right... Kids go to school, they take classes that discuss these issues. Voting will be a field trip.

Still, at least those kids have discussed the issues, unlike most ignorant and stubborn adults who will vote however their "leader" tells them.

	23-10-2004 07:26									#15
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Ozzy; Smooth... I'd also point out that if it weren't for the kids the parents would be spending as much money as they do. Especially on tuitions.

	23-10-2004 07:34									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Japher Diss you are more wrong than right... Kids go to school, they take classes that discuss these issues. Voting will be a field trip. Still, at least those kids have discussed the issues, unlike most ignorant and stubborn adults who will vote however their "leader" tells them.

it's simple, you don't allow teachers to take their kids to vote as a field trip.

voting should be an independant activity. Not coerced in any way.

	23-10-2004 07:35									#17
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Also, as for whether teens are educated enough to be able to vote, I think this thread proves my point exactly:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=124152

The majority of Bush supporters seem to have no clue about reality (I'm sure many Kerry supporters would be equally clueless on different issues), but all of these dangerously incompetent adult voters have the right to vote. That's just dumb.

	23-10-2004 07:36									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident it's simple, you don't allow teachers to take their kids to vote as a field trip. voting should be an independant activity. Not coerced in any way.

Agreed. Though what of the senior centers who bus seniors to the polls? Much of these people are so dazed they are still voting for Roosevelt.

	23-10-2004 07:36									#19
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Actually, I would bet that a lot more teens would vote than adults, just because it would probably be organized through their high school and so they'd be right there.

	23-10-2004 07:38									#20
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I think most kids would vote for Repubs too, because all those damned liberal teachers and the stupid teen rebellion stage.

	23-10-2004 07:39									#21
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While it certainly doesn't matter who teens would vote for, but in a recent mock election by high school students, Bush did eek out a victory. It was tight though.

	23-10-2004 07:43									#22
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP Agreed. Though what of the senior centers who bus seniors to the polls? Much of these people are so dazed they are still voting for Roosevelt.

long as they aren't required to go, I'm okay with it. It's just transportation after all. But if they required all seniors to attend, I'd have a problem with it.

Roosevelt

	23-10-2004 07:45									#23
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	23-10-2004 08:03									#24
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quote: If they have a right to vote, then it is absolutely unjust to prohibit young people.

Two wrongs do not make a right

quote: There is no requirement voters be smart, educated, literate or even sane.

Does that mean you should do it ust because you can?

quote: That's just dumb.

Yes, it is. But again, that doesnt mean that you should be encouraging more of the same From my obervations (which is limited, I admit) children are interested in superfulous things, and they'd just listen to their parents to vote.
"Dad, who should I vote for?"
"Bush"
"OK!"



American adults are bad enough, but American children would be chaos.

	23-10-2004 09:53									#25
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"eke"

Btw, you have to mention Apolyton. See if you can crash the servers.

	23-10-2004 10:02									#26
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the problem is that most teens under the voting age aren't independant. they still live with parents, who can influence their voting decision more than any other person. that's why they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

	23-10-2004 10:15									#27
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How did you get to be on Fox News????

	23-10-2004 10:19									#28
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He had to hold his nose and bang Anne Coulter. But, being the trooper for his cause that he is, Ozzy found it within himself to enter her holiest of holies.

	23-10-2004 11:03									#30
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I'll have to try to remember to try to catch it.

* ColdWizard goes to see which channel Fox News is.