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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
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(a) Anybody who hates a Yankee (or MFY, in this case) is alright in my book. 
(b) I've been a Red Sox fan since before I was old enough to hurl baseballs into that strike zone I taped up on the garage door of every house my parents had when I was a kid. That's a lot of dents and cracks in a lot of garage doors, and a lot of "Wait 'til next year" in a lot of Octobers.
(c) The only trip by the Sox to the WS I haven't seen since they last won it was the one in '46, before I was born. I missed Pesky and Williams, but I didn't miss Yaz, Tiant, etc.
(d) There is something inherently southern, or there damned well ought to be, about standing up against the odds, year in, year out, taking your swings and taking your lumps and getting right back up to do it again.
(e) - Besides, aren't you a Braves fan or some such carpetbagger nonsense? The former Milwaukee Braves, which were the former Boston Braves of "Spahn and Sain and pray for rain" infamy? At least my team is loyal to the fans and the city from whence it originated.
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:20
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
You are quite literally delusional. The hate has turned off your brain. Stop now before permanent brain damage sets in.
If you don't think the team that breaks the Curse will not be remembered throughout baseball history, you are drinking some STRONG Kool-Aid. |
Please. The thing is, that is only what they will be remembered for-and its not even the most compelling possible permutation- here is an OK Sox teams, in term of real talent, who beat a Yankee team also of OK talent that self-imploded. The last tow games in the series were hardly classics. So yes, they will be the team that "broke the curse", and for that they will be famous- but you know what? It was bound to happen- so hurray Sox of 2004 for making some historic statistic.
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Further delusion. If you don't think Williams, Pesky, Doerr, Yastremski, Rice, Clemens, etc, etc, were anything to cheer about you got no clue with respect to baseball history. You don't have to win a WS to be able to cheer your team and the accomplishments of its players.
Perhaps Yankee fans have forgotten that fact. |
 If Boston had so much to cheer about in the last 86 years, why have they been so rabid about winning the WS? Because there IS a difference.
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With the problems the Yanks have right now. I'd be suprised if they won the World Series next year. Very surprised. Even if they picked up Pedro and Beltran. |
Thats why I said a decade- I can see them not win next year, and say for the next five. But as I said, as a Yankee fan, I can survive such droughts.
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The Emperor Fabulous
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Apolyton's Resident Actor-in-Training
Aug 1999
time: 00:20
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Originally posted by GePap
1. on "hating" the red sox,  . I was the first one to congratulate them after our meltdown- the fact is that in the time I have been a Yankee fan (1991 to today), this "rivalry" has only meant something these last 2 years- maybe it was because I was in college, but the 1999 ALCS was no big deal, ad before that I don;t even remember any Yankee-Soxc series that mattered a damn. Before that, I did not even notice the press in NY paying undo attention to a Yankee-Sox games. Probably has to do with the fact that the Red Sox have actually improved int he last 2 years. |
1.) Don't call it a meltdown - the Red Sox beat the Yankees, the Yankees didn't beat themselves. Mariano blew a save twice: it happens. Your top three hitters couldn't hit in the last four games: the Boston pitching was far better in the last four games than the first three. The only way I'd say the Yankees choked is if the first two games didn't go to extra innings, but they did: Boston beat the Yankees.
2.) Boston isn't Florida or Seattle or Pittsburg. Boston fans don't give up on the team when they're not winning. The Sox were 10 freakin' games behind the Yankees, and in the summer gave no notion that they would even contend for the Playoffs. But Boston still sold out every game of the season. Boston fans care, not because our team always loses and we want to be "loveable", but because the town and the team exist as one. Boston is a sports town as much as (and perhaps moreso than) New York.
3.) You know, you go on a lot about the Sox fans complaining and the Sox fans *****ing, but who's *****ing now? You're being a stuck up arrogant ***** who, it seems like, has really fallen hard since the Yankees lost. Calling me "silly little one", saying how NY is eternally Teh Champs although they had one bad series, its just pointless and really shows your character in an unflattering light. Your Yankees are out, the Red Sox aren't. No matter how much you want to be in a pissing contest, the fact is that this year (the year it counts because its NOW) your team lost. Suck it up and deal, and wait for next year. We have for decades.
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Imran Siddiqui
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The Potterverse
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of course im scared to death, but im a athlete. you need to keep that inside you and use it to perform and to give yoruself hope. |
That's a good Sox fan  . Btw, did you hear they are giving Nomar a full share of the playoff money?
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Yes, I dop know more about my own team than other teams- no duh. |
That wasn't my point. My point was that Yankee fans seem to think there is no league beyond the Yankees. They know less about other teams and history of the league than other fans. They only focus on themselves.
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that is only what they will be remembered for |
What is Bill Mazeroski known for? What is Bucky Dent known for? What are the '69 Mets remembered for? Being remembered for winning a World Championship after the team hadn't won in 86 years is not something minor.
To compare it to something New York. The '94 Rangers will be remembered (well if hockey comes back) because they broke the 50+ year losing streak. They are remembered for being that team.
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If Boston had so much to cheer about in the last 86 years, why have they been so rabid about winning the WS? Because there IS a difference. |
My point is made.
Only a spoiled Yankee fan could say that if you don't win the WS you have nothing to cheer about  .
The Red Sox have a long and storied history and the cheering did not end in 1918. It is idiotic to say differently.
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3.) You know, you go on a lot about the Sox fans complaining and the Sox fans *****ing, but who's *****ing now? You're being a stuck up arrogant ***** who, it seems like, has really fallen hard since the Yankees lost. Calling me "silly little one", saying how NY is eternally Teh Champs although they had one bad series, its just pointless and really shows your character in an unflattering light. Your Yankees are out, the Red Sox aren't. No matter how much you want to be in a pissing contest, the fact is that this year (the year it counts because its NOW) your team lost. Suck it up and deal, and wait for next year. We have for decades. |
Bingo... it's amazing to hear some of them say that it was just a blip and we'll be back and all that jazz and underneath it all you can hear that arrogance and as MTG said, a sense of entitlement. To say that this team won't be remembered as much as other teams is to be utterly ignorant of baseball.
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:20
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
That wasn't my point. My point was that Yankee fans seem to think there is no league beyond the Yankees. They know less about other teams and history of the league than other fans. They only focus on themselves.
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HELLO! That is what being a sports fan of one team is ABOUT! You know, fan, from the word fanatic?
A BASEBALL fan might care about the histories of the game-but a fan of a team, be they Yankees, Red Sox, Braves, Mets, or whomever, will only care about their own teams history. To think that somehow all baseball fans save Yankee fans have a deep understanding of the game is sheer stupidity. There is a reason the WS does not get a third the ratings the superbowl gets- if your teams not in it, most people don't care. Thats true of all fans.
I doubt TEF care much about the deep Yankee history.
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What is Bill Mazeroski known for? What is Bucky Dent known for? What are the '69 Mets remembered for? |
For thewir amazing comeback against the Cubs to make it to the series? as the hapless expansion team that finally won? Of course, does anyone remember the 1997 Marlins?
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Being remembered for winning a World Championship after the team hadn't won in 86 years is not something minor. |
It is not minor, but neither is it being remembered for the timeless qualities of the team itself.
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To compare it to something New York. The '94 Rangers will be remembered (well if hockey comes back) because they broke the 50+ year losing streak. They are remembered for being that team. |
And yet does anyone put the 1994 Rangers as one of THE most remembered teams in hockey history? Do they?
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My point is made.
Only a spoiled Yankee fan could say that if you don't win the WS you have nothing to cheer about .
The Red Sox have a long and storied history and the cheering did not end in 1918. It is idiotic to say differently. |
A long and storied history do0es not equal something to cheer about- Lets take Braves fans from the mid 90's- they sure had a great run- but what is most obvious about them? That in that whole great run, they had one WS, and that they got to only 3. But I assume you think Braves fans were xtatic about having made so much history, and their inability to win it all was just a minor setback...
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:20
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Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
1.) Don't call it a meltdown - the Red Sox beat the Yankees, the Yankees didn't beat themselves. Mariano blew a save twice: it happens. Your top three hitters couldn't hit in the last four games: the Boston pitching was far better in the last four games than the first three. The only way I'd say the Yankees choked is if the first two games didn't go to extra innings, but they did: Boston beat the Yankees. |
It was a meltdown- the Yankees outscored Bopston in the series- the batters were doing amazing, and then, NOTHING. That is called a meltdown.
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2.) Boston isn't Florida or Seattle or Pittsburg. Boston fans don't give up on the team when they're not winning. The Sox were 10 freakin' games behind the Yankees, and in the summer gave no notion that they would even contend for the Playoffs. But Boston still sold out every game of the season. Boston fans care, not because our team always loses and we want to be "loveable", but because the town and the team exist as one. Boston is a sports town as much as (and perhaps moreso than) New York. |
The town and team became one in your joint suffering- expect that to change.
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3.) You know, you go on a lot about the Sox fans complaining and the Sox fans *****ing, but who's *****ing now? You're being a stuck up arrogant ***** who, it seems like, has really fallen hard since the Yankees lost. Calling me "silly little one", saying how NY is eternally Teh Champs although they had one bad series, its just pointless and really shows your character in an unflattering light. Your Yankees are out, the Red Sox aren't. No matter how much you want to be in a pissing contest, the fact is that this year (the year it counts because its NOW) your team lost. Suck it up and deal, and wait for next year. We have for decades. |
Somehow I survived last year, when we lost the WS, and 2002, when we didn;t even make it out of the division series, or in 2001, when we camee so close, and lost. And I do find this funny- funny in the sad, don;t you realize its a game, and YOU are not playing it, but only watching, sort of way. Maybe I am not enough of the "fanatic" part of fan. I like it when the Yankees win, and don;pt when they lose, but at least it does not consume one. Fanatic red soxs fans like youself are akin to the bleacher bums in Yankee stadium- both need to have a reality check
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