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Ted Striker
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United States of America
Jan 1970
time: 21:20
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It's already happened. Twice.
The idea that they are only going to one place is simply not keeping with history.
They have been active in the Balkans, several countries in East Africa, Kashmir, Afghanistan, Phillipines, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Chechnya, just to name a few, along with assorted attacks in Jordan, Egypt, and other North African tourist sites.
Sure, Iraq is a convenient location and is a place for the lower level guys trying to make a name.
But if I was the head honcho in charge, I'd be making plans to attack the motherland.
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Whaleboy
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Please make all cheques payable to Whaleboy
Jan 2003
time: 05:20
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Mr. Fun wouldn't stand up for me, even when he believed me to be right, let alone if I were wrong.
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That's like asking someone to stand up for Hitler if he said 2+2=4
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How is the Christian church using the government to impose beliefs on others?
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impose
TRANSITIVE VERB: 1. To establish or apply as compulsory; levy: impose a tax. 2. To apply or make prevail by or as if by authority: impose a peace settlement. See synonyms at dictate. 3. To obtrude or force (oneself, for example) on another or others. 4. Printing To arrange (type or plates) on an imposing stone. 5. To offer or circulate fraudulently; pass off: imposed a fraud on consumers.
(From the American Heritage Dictionary)
In order to impose it seems, one needs to establish a compulsory law.... i.e., one cannot do that. That cannot be equated with offering a choice... since homosexual rights are granted to all, including homophobes, but one has the right to not use them. If one didn't have that latter right, then yes gay people would be imposing but that is not the case, nor is it really conceivable. The sight of openly gay people being forced in Christian families? Well they are still choosing to use that right, and I'm sorry but in life you're going to encounter things you don't agree with. Arguing that of course is demonstrative of some considerable intolerance of course, my answer to that is that seeing other people living their lives is not imposition, the only way you can justify imposition is if you are being forced to be gay or forced to participate in gay marriage, that act of removing choice is unacceptable.
With regards to the question he was posing, you're right it's a poor argument. I've never seen Buddhists trying to lobby government, indeed most Eastern religions, mainstream Islam and Judaism only seem to lobby on a local level (with some exceptions) and that's generally for their own interests. It seems to be mostly evangelical Christians that want to remake the world in their own image (well, that and Islamic terrorists) but then with a belief is strong, extreme and nonsensical as theirs, is that really so surprising?
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How so? How has the church intervened in the US? Do all churches intervene, or just a few?
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Ah! You're splitting the issue into individuals churches/parishes? Or Churches as a religious group with numerous parishes under that? I'm inclined (as an outsider) to look at them all as the same thing, with a sliding scale of belief and extremity, so effectively look at evangelical christians as a whole, and you cannot deny the power their wield over government, and seek to wield where they do not. In their defence, with a community so large and the aforementioned belief/idiocy it is perhaps an inevitable part of human nature.
What I don't understand is how the god squad grew so rapidly... what circumstances have goaded people like this? Did they all see the passion of the christ and are it's equivalent of star-trek convention goers? Quite sad.
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I agree with you. But I don't see any evidence that the churches compel obedience in the US.
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I think you're twisting his words. The church seeks to make it's dogma law.... after all it believes it to be universally and absolutely true, with the big guy upstairs (the accountant) and their pre-fab God on their side, it would be strange to claim otherwise.
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Couldn't the churches adapt to their new role?
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Religion, from the Latin "re" meaning "return to" and "ligio" meaning "to bind", or "bondage". Religion is by definition a "return to bondage". Fine for personal choice... after all we deny ourselves the choices and rights available to us daily, but organised religion is doing it on a mass basis.... a herd of blind sheep following a blind, though rich shepherd.
If we hypothetically take that definition, and hold it to the Church (any physical or communal church), do you think Christ would approve? Removing the hypothetical, what other definition would you apply?
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Berzerker
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topeka, kansas,USA
May 1999
time: 23:20
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Ben - quote:
How is the Christian church using the government to impose beliefs on others?
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Well Ben, it's amazingly obvious how Christians use government to impose their religion on others so I didn't think you needed case examples. Try the following: drugs, prostitution, gambling, booze (prohibition) and blue laws, homosexuality, abortion, porn, welfare, etc... And that's just recent US history after the Church lost alot of power... Hell, you just quoted a couple examples I supplied so why you accuse me of assuming what I'm trying to prove is beyond me.
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I agree with you. But I don't see any evidence that the churches compel obedience in the US. |
Why do you keep trying to limit the Church's crimes to US history when I'm talking about Christian history? Anyway, I've answered your question...
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Couldn't the churches adapt to their new role? |
Apparently not, when given power the Church becomes a monster and 1,500 years of history is proof.
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27-10-2004 10:46
. What other BS are going to concoct in order to back the Idiot-in-Cheif? He's basically in the same position now as he was before 9/11. He's in the mountains while hundreds of his followers surround him and protect him. Only now his recruitment is through the roof!
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