02-11-2004 03:40									#31
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Sentinels. I don't like Sentinels, I prefer either saber mastery or force awesomess all the way. Accept no compromise.

	02-11-2004 03:42									#32
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What force powers did you have?

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I loved it, but thought it was too one dimensional. Too many traits and abilitieswere utterly useless. Repair? Security?

I epecially loved the room at the end filled with killer droids that you could just hack through the wall to get through. great move there guys.

But seriously, I lvoed the game, played it through 3 times, have done all the quests (IIRC). I just hope 2 isn't just a hacked remake with a slightly new plot.

	02-11-2004 04:11									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse Well, the story is unoriginal. Think about it...if your character has amnesia there has to be something about his past, and frankly what the story had was the only obvious conclusion.

I never saw any amnesia. Unless the questions about "who is bastila" etc. are "amnesia". I took those to be introductions to the game, of the same sort as "how do I use you to open doors" and stuff like that.

	02-11-2004 04:12									#35
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At the end, I didn't have any offensive force powers except the force wave or whatever, so I had to beat Malak fifty times

	02-11-2004 04:19									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master What force powers did you have?

IIRC a lot of buff spells. I used Force Shield, Force Speed and Force Jump a heckuvalot, and maybe some of those "bless" spells etc. too. Oh and Force Push (Wave?) to push the damn Sith down so that I could properly Flurry him.

	02-11-2004 06:22									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia Sentinels. I don't like Sentinels, I prefer either saber mastery or force awesomess all the way. Accept no compromise.

Guardians and Consulars were way too easy for me. The balancing act of building a decent Sentinel was a lot of the fun of my first few games.

quote: What force powers did you have?

By the time I was facing Malak I had Force Wave, Force Breach, Plague, Master Speed, Master Valour and Force Immunity. I was a 4/16 Light Side Scout/Sentinel.

quote: I loved it, but thought it was too one dimensional. Too many traits and abilitieswere utterly useless. Repair? Security?

I won't argue that security is useless, and that Stealth in this doesn't compare to Hide and Move Silently in NWN, but as for Repair...

spoiler(highlight to read): You need a total of 17 points in repair to be able to restore HK-47's memory, hear his stories, and bring him to full potential. And you need to have it done before the Leviathan. This can include the boosts you get from your Int modifier, items and Force Valour, but it does help to have invested at least a few points in Repair.

	02-11-2004 06:34									#38
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Perhaps I'm stupid, but what is the "second" plot twist people are talking about?

spoiler(highlight to read): Bastila's betrayal?

	02-11-2004 06:38									#39
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I'm not quite sure Guynemer, but I think you're right.

	02-11-2004 06:38									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer Perhaps I'm stupid, but what is the "second" plot twist people are talking about? spoiler(highlight to read): Bastila's betrayal?

That's the one.

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Cross-post.

	02-11-2004 10:00									#42
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quote: Originally posted by BustaMike BS... it's easy to see. Especially if you go to Kashyyyk before the Leviathan, then you'd have to be a freakin' retard not to notice it because of what that computer says to you. But even if you haven't gone there, you've got to expect the plot twist. I suppose some people just refuse to pay attention to that stuff, but I saw it coming miles away. Where's Revan and why don't they show his/her face - dunno, you can't remember stuff why - dunno, you have visions (about stuff you've seen before), etc. etc.

I was getting suspicious during that time. But I was really reading the dialogue fast. I wanted to get it over with and move on with the game. The second time around I payed more attention to the dialogue. The first time I was just anxious to complete the game.

	02-11-2004 10:28									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master What are people's thoughts on KotOR II: Sith Lords? To me, it seems the same, with some tweaking, more force powers/weapons, new plot, and that's it. I'll still buy it though. The first one was quite enjoyable to me, as my son, my father and I, always played it when my father and mother came over on the Saturday.

As they have said why fix what isn't broken.

gameplay should be almost exactly the same. though I hope they do a few interface tweaks. I have no problem with that.

more powers and all that is good. but the most important part is the story and role playing. And good dialogue and voice acting.

True, bioware is not doing it, but they have put the game into good hands. the company that has many top notch Black Isle programmers. I think they can put out a pretty good game. But I don't expect anything revolutionary. It is a sequal after all.

	02-11-2004 10:32									#44
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Beating Malak the first time was a little challenging. I was a scout/guardian.

I didn't have very many cool force powers. I had force wave or whatever. and lightsaber throw. Those aren't great powers, and I couldn't kill those subjects he used to rejuvenate himself.

I ended up looking at a tip thread and finding out he has a weakness to thermal detonators. And being the pack rat I am, I saved all of mine and had plenty to chuck .

The second time I used force powers (I was evil this time) to destroy the subjects he uses to rejuvenate, and then I wiped him out melee style with my lightsabers. I was a warrior/consular this time around.

	02-11-2004 11:10									#45
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quote: Maybe so in the final analysis, but it gets A+ in production value at every point.

Yep, like I said, hindsight is 20/20 . Just because the main character has some amnesia doesn't point exactly to Revan. When you finish, maybe you are slapping your head... but you know what happens in the end .

quote: Who found it very easy to beat Malak?

Not I. I found it hard as Hell. After a reload or two, I realized the important thing (ie, with the trapped Jedi) and then barely beat Malak with my health very low with no more health packs left.

	02-11-2004 13:04									#46
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Malak is a pushover if you've made a fighter.

Flurry + force speed + double blade will kick his ass.

Critical + force speed + the critical upping saber augmentations + dual sabers should pretty much annihilate him.

However, if you made a caster type, he may be a little harder, because he uses that force nullification deal.

spoiler(highlight to read): The easiest way to beat him of course is to turn him into that dancing girl and party.

That is a rad easter egg.

	02-11-2004 13:29									#47
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When he regenerated the first time, my first instinct was to see if I could kill the trapped Jedi. The thought of having to fight him n many times made me groan.

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You mean I could have just killed the trapped Jedi?! I just fought him for as many times as it was necessary. But then I'm not an utilitarian, I would've abhored the murdering of innocents to further my goals.

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Saber throwing or Force Breaching the captive Jedi doesn't kill them. They're already dead, but due to the devices Malak has them hooked up to, they're not yet able to become one with the Force as Jedi usually do when they die. Saber throwing or Force Breaching them sets them free so they can become one with the Force and Malak can't drain them.

You're not murdering innocents if you are denying Malak his power boosts.


Of course, if you play Dark Side, and have Death Field (plain old Force Drain will do as well), you can drain them for yourself. In that case, you probably are murdering their souls.

	02-11-2004 15:46									#50
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quote: Originally posted by BustaMike Malak is a pushover if you've made a fighter... However, if you made a caster type, he may be a little harder, because he uses that force nullification deal.

Actually, he is a pushover for consulars as well. My Light Side 5/15 Scoundrel/Consular had no trouble killing Malak.

I simply cast Force Immunity and Master Valour. I also used Master Speed to evade him.

Next I Force Breach Malak, and hit him with a Plague. Then I keep Force Waving him, occasionally doing a saber throw here and there.

Once he drains his first captive, I recast Master Speed and breach the rest of the captives. Then I repeat the above steps.

When his life is nearly spent, I close in and finish him off with a few strokes of my lightsaber. By that time, the plague will have reached it's maximum drainage of attributes and he will be (relatively) weak as a kitten.


His Force nullification is only Force Immunity, which can easily be dispelled with Force Breach. Of course the problem with Breach is that you don't get to make devastating use of it until the final battle since none of the Dark Jedi I can remember use Force Immunity, and there's definitely no opponent who uses Light Side buffs.

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I was getting suspicious during that time. But I was really reading the dialogue fast. I wanted to get it over with and move on with the game. The second time around I payed more attention to the dialogue. The first time I was just anxious to complete the game.

The opposite here. I read all the dialogue, asked all the questions I could, the first run through, and on my second run I'm skipping through all the stuff I've already read and looking for stuff I missed.

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Beating Malak the first time was a little challenging. I was a scout/guardian. I didn't have very many cool force powers. I had force wave or whatever. and lightsaber throw. Those aren't great powers, and I couldn't kill those subjects he used to rejuvenate himself.

You can with lightsaber throw.

	02-11-2004 19:05									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia You mean I could have just killed the trapped Jedi?! I just fought him for as many times as it was necessary. But then I'm not an utilitarian, I would've abhored the murdering of innocents to further my goals.

They don't die, I think. They look like they're just sitting down.

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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker You can with lightsaber throw.

yeah but lightsaber throw really didn't do that much damage. It was much easier with the evil force powers.

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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker The opposite here. I read all the dialogue, asked all the questions I could, the first run through, and on my second run I'm skipping through all the stuff I've already read and looking for stuff I missed.

Yeah, I don't understand skipping dialogue first time around.

	04-11-2004 05:24									#56
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that's the problem. I'm always anxious to get to the end

	04-11-2004 05:35									#57
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I had a friend who played, who was already at Dantooine, and didn't know who Bastilla or Malak was.

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well I did know who those people were . I read all the dialogue. I just skimmed it really fast . That's the only reason I missed the subtle hints Bastila and Yoda lookalike make about your past.

And frankly, I don't put that much thought into games. I like to be surprised. I'm this way with mystery movies. I never see the twist at the end. Movies like 6th sense (bad example since someone already spoiled the movie before I saw it) always snag me in and throw me for a surprise.

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quote: I had a friend who played, who was already at Dantooine, and didn't know who Bastilla or Malak was.

Jeez, what's the point then? The best part of the game is the journey and I don't understand the reason for skipping past it. I agree with you,

	05-11-2004 00:57									#60
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Definitely. May as well play a hack and slash. KOTOR's strength is it's involving story and characters.