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I would answer that, but since I'm a Kerry supporter I'll wait until after the "election"

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More Republican fraud
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...ing_voter_calls

Here is a voicemail that the Republicans are leaving for Michigan voters.


I think Kerry actually does support Gay Marriage, which is commendable. He's just pretending that he doesn't because iit's unpopular. So I don't know what to think about this.

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Since some people are getting excited over the meaningless, ridiculous, imaginary, demographic group such as cell phone owners when talking about voting patterns, I thought of several other ridiculous demographic groups:

What contrast in the voting pattern would there be between voters who own a 37" HDTV versus those who own a 37" non-HDTV?

What contrast would there be between those who own one parakeet, versus those who own two parakeets?

What contrast would there be between those who use Trojan condoms, and those who use cheap condoms?

What contrast would there be between those who dye their hair, and those who do not dye their hair?

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What contrast would there be between those who dye their hair, and those who do dye their hair?


None

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I DanSed you.

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I DanSed you.

He quoted you, so you aren't gonna get away with it.

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Well at least I caught the mistake 12 nanoseconds after he posted about the mistake, then corrected it.

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I think Kerry actually does support Gay Marriage, which is commendable. He's just pretending that he doesn't because iit's unpopular. So I don't know what to think about this.

Kerry's official position is that gay marriage should be an issue left to the states to decide. This is the position that Bush had on it in 2000 before he flip-flopped and supported a Constitutional ban.

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I don't think that Kerry's official stated position necessarily matches what he actually believes. He'll say pretty much whatever people want him to say. In the case of gay marriage, I think that he definitely supports it. He does not, as he says, "believe that marriage is between a man and a woman."

I'm accusing him of lying, but it's not necessarily such a bad thing.

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He does not, as he says, "believe that marriage is between a man and a woman."


How do you know?

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Since some people are getting excited over the meaningless, ridiculous, imaginary, demographic group such as cell phone owners when talking about voting patterns, I thought of several other ridiculous demographic groups:


It might've been a better use of your time to consider why this statistic was brought up, than writing a nonsense rant.

Cell phone-only users aren't polled. So most polls ignore this relatively significant, very pro-Kerry group.

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First results already in:

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N.H. mountain hamlets cast first votes
15 for Bush, 15 for Kerry in Hart's Location

The Associated Press
Updated: 12:38 a.m. ET Nov. 2, 2004HART’S LOCATION,

N.H. - The nation’s first Election Day votes were cast and counted just after midnight Tuesday in this mountain hamlet, with President Bush and John Kerry each receiving 15 votes. Ralph Nader received one.

The communities of Hart’s Location and Dixville Notch since 1948 sporadically have been taking advantage of a state law that allows communities to close polls early if all registered voters have cast ballots. The 26 registered voters in Dixville Notch were still were casting votes shortly after midnight.

In 2000, both communities chose President Bush over Democrat Al Gore. In Hart’s Location, Bush won 17-13. In Dixville Notch, about 50 miles to the north, Bush had 21, Gore five and Ralph Nader one vote.

By state law, polls must be open between 11 a.m. and 7 p.m. But nothing prevents a town from opening the polls earlier and closing after all potential voters have cast ballots.

Hart’s Location began doing just that in 1948 because nearly everyone in town worked for the railroad and many had to be at work before normal voting hours. Dixville followed in 1960.

National media attention to these “first votes” began in 1952, when the state let voters in the state’s earliest presidential primary vote for the candidates themselves rather than delegates to the national party conventions. The Republican primary made news that year because Gen. Dwight Eisenhower upset party favorite Robert A. Taft.

Small towns including Hart’s Location, Millsfield and Waterville Valley soon were competing to cast the nation’s first votes. Hart’s Location dropped early voting in 1964, only to revive it 1996.

Dixville didn’t get into the act until 1960 for the general election. Reflecting the state’s then-solid Republican leanings, Republican Richard Nixon beat Democrat John Kennedy, 9-0.


The Dems are already outperforming 2000 in the votes by a good margin.

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Imran, I was saying that I think that, not saying it's objective fact. As a relativist, you should understand the difference.


I think he's pro gay marriage because of his vote against the DOMA.

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Since some people are getting excited over the meaningless, ridiculous, imaginary, demographic group such as cell phone owners when talking about voting patterns, I thought of several other ridiculous demographic groups:\


The pollsters can't call cell phones, so the demographic that solely has a cell phone isn't counted in the polls; that's more and more people these days.

The poll was done via text messaging, circumventing the inability to call them (it's a legal inability).

So Kerry being ahead by 15% among cell-phone users is a good sign. It is one more factor that supports the idea of a Kerry-win.

Oh, and I predict Kerry will win with about 300 or more Electoral votes and 51-52% of the vote (Bush will get about 48%).

-Drachasor

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Since some people are getting excited over the meaningless, ridiculous, imaginary, demographic group such as cell phone owners when talking about voting patterns, I thought of several other ridiculous demographic groups:


It might've been a better use of your time to consider why this statistic was brought up, than writing a nonsense rant.

Cell phone-only users aren't polled. So most polls ignore this relatively significant, very pro-Kerry group.


Asking MrFun to actually think about something is a bit much though, isn't it?

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He believes that marriage is not a federal issue. What's so inconsistent about his position, a lot of this country feels similarly?

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I was saying that I think that, not saying it's objective fact.


Why do you think that? Like I said, how do you know?

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I think he's pro gay marriage because of his vote against the DOMA.


Why would that indicate anyone is in favor of gay marriage? The Senator could be against unconstitutional legislation.

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I think the high early voter turn out for Kerry will be key. Not only are those votes locked in but Kerry is trying to get them to help turn out the vote tomorrow and to help car pool other Kerry voters to the poll. Add in the Democrates' advantage in big party voter turn out apparatus and I think we've found a winner. The Republicans have more loyal voters but the Democrates seem to be motivated far more then in any election since 1960 so I'm expecting a big turn out.

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Re Boris

True, true.

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That Rush Limbaugh article was exactly what I expected; he's playing Bush's game by trying to scare everybody. For me it comes down to trust and Bush has lied so much I just can't trust him.

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This could be old here, but I haven't seen it mentioned even thought you people are pretty political bunch. Not that I've read everything.
http://www.betavote.com/

Pretty interesting, even the US has it 25 to 75 % there. What does that mean, if you are likely to find that site you'd rather vote Kerry?
Now the people on the right here will without hesitatiton say "only the liberals have voted in that one!" Or they have cheated more etc...
And the left will say it's proof of Kerrys ownage!

So my guestion is, is that a good indicator of the views on the internet?

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Factors that will give Kerry a win:

1. College Students favor Kerry by a massive margin and will be voting in record numbers.

2. Cell-phone users favor Kerry and aren't on the national or local polls.

3. Record voter turnout always favors the Democrats because there are simply a lot more Democrats than Republicans.

4. The Democratic Party is working as hard as it can to leverage 1-3 and make sure everyone gets to the polls. Early Voting also helps get Democrats to the polls.

5. Undecided Voters typically Break for the Challenger

6. National Polls always underestimate the Challenger by 1 or more percentage points (and it can easily be 4% or more). Kerry is essentially tied or leading in most of the Swing States, 1-5 will should push him over the top.

Some indicators Kerry is winning:

Kerry is up on early voting/returns compared to Gore by about 4% or more.

-Drachasor

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Moore's letter to conservatives:
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To Decent Conservatives and Recovering Republicans:

In your heart of hearts you know Bush is a miserable failure. From having no plan on what to do in Iraq once he conquered Baghdad to the 380 missing tons of explosives that could be used to kill our brave young men and women, this guy doesn’t have a clue how to fight and win a war. You should see the mail I’ve been getting lately from our troops over there. They know how much the Iraqi people hate them. They are sitting ducks anytime they go out on the road. Many believe we are not that far away from a Tet-style offensive inside the Green Zone with hundreds of Americans and Brits killed.
Bush refused to go after and capture Osama bin Laden. He fought, every step of the way, the investigation into the 9/11 attacks. Who on earth would oppose such a thing? If 3,000 people died at your place of work and your boss said we don’t need to find out why or how it happened, he’d be thrown out on his ear. Bush’s behavior after this great tragedy alone is reason enough for his removal.
You already know that George W. Bush is the farthest thing from a conservative. He’s a reckless spender who has run up record-breaking deficits and the biggest debt in our history. He believes in having the government pry into everything from your library records to your bedroom. He has hit you with hidden taxes with his tax cuts for the rich.
I know many of you don’t like Bush, but are unsure of Kerry. Give the new guy a chance. He won’t raise your taxes (unless you are super-rich), he won’t take your hunting gun away, and he won’t make you visit France. He risked his life for you many years ago. He’s asking for the chance to do it again. Scott McConnell at The American Conservative magazine has endorsed him. What more do you need?

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Russian Federation John Kerry by 69% 177 996 15 % 84 %

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I was saying that I think that, not saying it's objective fact.


Why do you think that? Like I said, how do you know?

He gave a very straight and clear answer in the third debate that he thinks homosexuality isn't a choice, but something people are born with. I think his answer there was the sort of answer that a pro gay marriage person would make.

He also has a very liberal record on other social issues.

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Why would that indicate anyone is in favor of gay marriage? The Senator could be against unconstitutional legislation.

Didn't stop him from voting for the Patriot Act.


But anyway, the point is that this is something I merely suspect. I can't back it up that well.

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Oh, and he's also from a pretty pro-gay state. MA has a gay congressman and of course, it legalized gay marriage a little while ago.

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Russian Federation John Kerry by 69% 177 996 15 % 84 %

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What he said.

Ted Striker - Russian Friendship Alliance

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But anyway, the point is that this is something I merely suspect. I can't back it up that well.


So it's an emotional decision on your part is what you are saying?

 
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