06-11-2004 10:19									#271
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Space is finite, and since the French requirement is patently ridiculous outside of New Brunswick and Quebec, it should not apply at all. I don't want both -- I don't want things in English provinces to be required to have French on them. It's wasteful and it's unnecessary.

I, for one, like the French labels. They boost my vocabulary. And I'd never look at nutritional info.

	06-11-2004 10:23									#272
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon There's no such thing as being unCanadian, except perhaps thinking that hockey sucks.

Hockey sucks. And blows.

And so does Lacrosse.

And Curling. That sucks too.

	06-11-2004 10:24									#273
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Not liking the Federation can't be unCanadian, since it is the #1 sport of all the provinces other than Ontario.

What's the #1 Ontario sport? Basketball?

	06-11-2004 10:32									#274
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris Would I, personally, hand over these flags? Yes. Is it a big deal that they won't? NO.

The veterans who risked their lives, the relatives of those who died, and those of us with respect for what those men did think it is a big deal that, out of policy, a federal political party will refuse to provide flags to help commemorate those who fought and died for our freedom.

It is tasteless and lunacy, and I am not surprised in the slightest that the average person from Quebec does not understand that. It's true that they are of a different society -- one that is completely unappreciative of Canada's history, actions, and efforts. One that is undeserved of all of the special treatment and recognition and money that they get.

	06-11-2004 11:25									#275
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Actually, it's definately the BQ. When your constituents ask you to do something as harmless as handing out flags, and you refuse out of some stupid ideological purity or whatever, you're the one making an issue.

Not really. People other than the BQ had already made flags a big issue. You can see that in part in the article.

	06-11-2004 11:31									#276
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quote: Originally posted by Asher The veterans who risked their lives, the relatives of those who died, and those of us with respect for what those men did think it is a big deal that, out of policy, a federal political party will refuse to provide flags to help commemorate those who fought and died for our freedom. It is tasteless and lunacy, and I am not surprised in the slightest that the average person from Quebec does not understand that. It's true that they are of a different society -- one that is completely unappreciative of Canada's history, actions, and efforts. One that is undeserved of all of the special treatment and recognition and money that they get.

You're buying into the same bashing mentality that is regularlly pointed at Alberta. Isn't it about time we stopped playing the game of the federalist media? Stop being divided, and recognise that there are people who stand a lot to gain by having Quebecois and Albertans at each other's throats?

They're scared shitless. The last time things were calm in the East, Alberta and Quebec got together and put Mulroney in power. Ever since then there has been a determined campaign to split Quebec from the West, and paint Ontario as the moderate, reasonable province.

Don't you get it? Quebec, Alberta, and BC could name the tune that this country dances to. We are being distracted by flaps about flags.

Hurumpfff!

	06-11-2004 11:35									#277
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Vote patriotic. Vote NDP.

	06-11-2004 11:43									#278
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Are you trying to make me change my vote? Patriotism is teh sux0r.

	06-11-2004 11:52									#279
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I am proud of my country and I vote NDP. Don't like it -- vote Bloc.

	06-11-2004 11:54									#280
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Going on in that vein.

When Tredeau was prancing around, full of himself, and thinking that he should be the author of our Constitution, who was Leveque's ally against Ottawa?

If you say Lougheed and Alberta, you win a beaver pelt.

Later on, when the nation had had enough of Liberals, and really needed a change, it was Alberta and Quebec that drove the stake into the heart of the vampire. Unfortunately, the creature lived on in Ontario and the stake was removed. The Liberals revived. They've been revived for 20 years now. How much longer? Do you think Ontario is ever going to toss them? They never have in the past.

Alberta and Quebec are natural allies in Confederation. We both want to be left alone to run our own shows. When will we resume acting on that?

	06-11-2004 18:09									#281
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Interesting. The United States of Canada.

	06-11-2004 18:11									#282
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH Interesting. The United States of Canada.

I liked Trudeau BTW. I never voted for him, but he made me laugh. The cabinet members I met (Ministers of Armed Forces) were morons though.

	06-11-2004 21:12									#283
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Actually, it's definately the BQ. When your constituents ask you to do something as harmless as handing out flags, and you refuse out of some stupid ideological purity or whatever, you're the one making an issue.

The local office of the Bloc MP did hand out Canadian flags before, only to be laughed at in the local media because a separatist was promoting Canada.

No win situation.

	07-11-2004 00:16									#284
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Do you think Ontario is ever going to toss them? They never have in the past.

Ontario historically voted opposites for provincial and federal elections. Since the Tory 'Big Blue Machine' ruled the province for some 40+ years we usually vote Liberal federally. As you know, we have libs at both levels of gov now so the potential for change is there. Will we switch and go back to the Torys provincially or dump the Liberals in Ottawa? My money is on the former.

quote: Alberta and Quebec are natural allies in Confederation. We both want to be left alone to run our own shows. When will we resume acting on that?

Soon I hope. I mentioned earlier the sad reality of feds intruding on jurisdiction (indeed several items on the provincial rights list you provided earlier are already in that category...). Our best hope rests with Alberta and Quebec to defend these rights.

	07-11-2004 05:53									#285
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quote: Interesting. The United States of Canada

There was a map in the UK papers (which i assume came from the US) about the United States of Canada where the East and West coast 'liberals' (the Kerry Voters) joined Canada. The rest of America was renamed 'Jesusland'.
Seemed an interesting idea, if not especially serious, states like New York joining Canada rather than the other way round

	07-11-2004 05:59									#286
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quote: Originally posted by Richelieu The local office of the Bloc MP did hand out Canadian flags before, only to be laughed at in the local media because a separatist was promoting Canada. No win situation.

	07-11-2004 07:25									#287
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quote: Originally posted by Standup There was a map in the UK papers (which i assume came from the US) about the United States of Canada where the East and West coast 'liberals' (the Kerry Voters) joined Canada. The rest of America was renamed 'Jesusland'. Seemed an interesting idea, if not especially serious, states like New York joining Canada rather than the other way round

My version is slightly different. I drew it based on a different map before seeing the Jesusland one.

	07-11-2004 12:12									#289
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quote: Yeah, and does it make sense to fight conscription under the flag of an empire that considers French Canadians sub-subjects meant for being used as cannon fodder?

When you are fighting to save France?

Seems to me a pretty good deal. It's not like you're being asked to fight for a country you don't care about.

	07-11-2004 12:14									#290
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quote: Some folks from Quebec fought conscription, as did some from elsewhere. Many volunteered, and bled and died, right along side people from everywhere else in Canada

So, would these Quebec vets take kindly to the Quebeckers of today spitting on their sacrifice?

	07-11-2004 12:18									#291
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NYE:

These divisions are harmful to a Canada united, that Quebec gets special treatment.

Isn't that what Diefenbaker fought, to have one Canada, rather than French and English Canadians?

Why can't the BQ just honour the vets who fought in France to save France?

	07-11-2004 12:19									#292
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Nobodies spitting, Ben. The BQ have a policy of not distributing flags, for some good reason it seems. A Legion asked for flags and were directed to where they could get them.

Yes, this guy could have been a bit more clever, as it seems some other BQ MPs have been, but he certainly didn't spit on anyone or their memories.

	07-11-2004 12:25									#293
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi NYE: These divisions are harmful to a Canada united, that Quebec gets special treatment. Isn't that what Diefenbaker fought, to have one Canada, rather than French and English Canadians? Why can't the BQ just honour the vets who fought in France to save France?

It is harmful that Canadians go ballistic on each other when their differences are exploited in the press. Those differences aren't going to go away by Westerners screaming 'traitor' at Quebecois, and Quebecois replying with taunts of 'redneck'.

re honouring the vets, the fellow says he would be happy to participate in Legion events, he just wasn't gonna be a dispenser of flags. I don't see why it needs to be blown into a big deal.

	07-11-2004 12:36									#294
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi When you are fighting to save France? Seems to me a pretty good deal. It's not like you're being asked to fight for a country you don't care about.

You are assuming Quebecois identify themselves with France the way Anglos once did with the British Empire. That might be a mistake considering that France chose to sacrifice 'a few acres of snow' to keep the wonderland that was Guadeloupe.

	07-11-2004 20:30									#295
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither re honouring the vets, the fellow says he would be happy to participate in Legion events, he just wasn't gonna be a dispenser of flags. I don't see why it needs to be blown into a big deal.

He also said something to the effect "If they (the vets) want to play with their flags that's OK..."

His tone was insulting. Press or no press.

I understand the no win situation BQ MPs find themselves in, but when you are a traitor to the country in the country's parliament I guess you can expect such troubles.

	07-11-2004 23:14									#296
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quote: Originally posted by Wezil I understand the no win situation BQ MPs find themselves in, but when you are a traitor to the country in the country's parliament I guess you can expect such troubles.

Yeah, that's the word, "traitor". What are you waiting for to hang them?

Be glad this Anglo overreaction hasn't made it to the French media (which belongs to Power Corp. anyway), because then that would just fuel support for separatism.

	07-11-2004 23:32									#297
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quote: You are assuming Quebecois identify themselves with France the way Anglos once did with the British Empire. That might be a mistake considering that France chose to sacrifice 'a few acres of snow' to keep the wonderland that was Guadeloupe.

Which is why OB's claims that the WW2 vets fought under the banner of Britain, makes no sense. They fought as Canadians.

Secondly, I would say the Quebecois did far better under British rule in the Dominion of Canada, than they ever did under France. They have no justification to believe that the Brits ever used them for cannon fodder any more so than they did the other Canadians.

	07-11-2004 23:34									#298
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quote: The BQ have a policy of not distributing flags, for some good reason it seems.

What good reason? Because they are separatists devoted to the breakup of Canada?

Why should those who fight for Canada brook the Bloq?

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quote: The local office of the Bloc MP did hand out Canadian flags before, only to be laughed at in the local media because a separatist was promoting Canada. No win situation.

Let the media in Quebec spit on the Vets.

That's really going to enhance their standing.

Sad the BQ can't put aside their agenda for one day, and aren't willing to stand up to those who do not have the best interests of Quebec in mind.

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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Which is why OB's claims that the WW2 vets fought under the banner of Britain, makes no sense. They fought as Canadians.

Yeah, sure.

quote: Secondly, I would say the Quebecois did far better under British rule in the Dominion of Canada, than they ever did under France. They have no justification to believe that the Brits ever used them for cannon fodder any more so than they did the other Canadians.

How would Quebec have experienced an industrial revolution in 1723, tell me?