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quote: Leading Dutch filmmaker and newspaper columnist Theo van Gogh was killed in Amsterdam on Tuesday morning. Conflicting reports are coming in about the precise circumstances. According to his production company, Mr Van Gogh was shot dead, but a local TV-channel reports he was stabbed and then shot. The perpetrator, who´s said to have stuck a pamphlet to Mr van Gogh's chest, was reportedly shot in the leg in an exchange of gunfire with a motorcycle policeman, who is believed to be seriously injured. The suspect was arrested in Amsterdam's Oosterpark and taken to hospital. Theo van Gogh (47) courted controversy during his entire career. One of his most recent productions dealt with violence against women in Islamic societies and prompted many death threats. The author of the film, Conservative MP Ayaan Hirsi Ali, has been under police protection since it was aired on Dutch national television. Mr Van Gogh was working on a film about Pim Fortuyn, the anti-establishment and anti-immigrant politician who was gunned down two years ago. Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende and other Hague politicians expressed shock at Mr Van Gogh´s assassination. "This is a horrible situation that we cannot accept," Justice Minister Piet Hein Donner was quoted as saying. The leader of the Democrats D66 Party, Boris Dittrich, drew a comparison with the murder of Pim Fortuyn. He stressed that both men were champions of free expression who never tired of warning against the rise of radical Islam and against growing polarisation in Dutch society.

http://www.rnw.nl/hotspots/html/dut041102.html

It has been suggested that this was a political assasination.

	02-11-2004 15:56									#2
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We should do something about these islamic fundies. I propose shooting them all.

	02-11-2004 16:02									#3
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First that Pim fellow and now this. I thought the Dutch were supposed to be happy little trees.

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Gun happy little trees.

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quote: He stressed that both men were champions of free expression who never tired of warning against the rise of radical Islam and against growing polarisation in Dutch society.

Yeah sure And a whore is the champion of love and courtious behaviour.


van Gogh was a very provocative man, and he strirred every beehive he could find.

IMO he was a provocateur first class, and IMO he was part of the polarisation with his unrelentless bigotry.

His films are apparently very good (never saw one, the 'Micheal More Syndrome ), but his columns were quite stupid.


Very sad he was murdered though. Especially for his family and friends, since van Gogh himself was the kind of person he could care less for himself.

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Yeah, it funny how some people think its okay to kill someone who critizises you.

My question is: How long the Europe is going to tolerate these barbarians who call themselves muslims. Sooner or later there will be a counter-reaction by the people. I'm afraid that day is not far away. They dont understand how long and refined our traditions of massacring minorities are. They dont know what beast they are about to unleash.

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Thanks for the thread, without it I prolly wouldn't have found out until tonight...

Although Van Gogh was a huge arsehole who was always out to provoke people, this is obviously not a fate he deserved


The guy who did it wasn't particularly smart, he killed Van Gogh right in front of a police station, so he didn't get very far when trying to get away...

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quote: Originally posted by laurentius We should do something about these islamic fundies. I propose shooting them all.

Fortuyn was shot by a homey.

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Homey?

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white guy

addition: (he was a fundy though, but not the religious kind)

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All the politicians all are out to express their shock, and more or less praise him.

Hypocrites: they despised the guy as long as he lived.

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Did he have a motive?

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Fortuyn was shot by a guy who was an animal rights fundie, muslims had nothing to do with it (though that was the first thing everyone assumed).

There's no real evidence whatsoever yet about who Van Gogh's killer was or what his motive was. Islam was by no means the only institution Van Gogh provoked/insulted/ridiculed/etc. There was an eye witness who said the killer was very stereotypically dressed as an Arab, but in such a way that it could easily be a disguise as well.

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There is only speculation, and offcourse everybody is happy to join the speculation.

There is nothing official yet on the 'how and why'. It could even be a robbery gone bad.

The perpatrator is aparently shot as well and hospitalized.

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quote: Originally posted by Locutus Fortuyn was shot by a guy who was an animal rights fundie, muslims had nothing to do with it. There's no real evidence whatsoever yet about who Van Gogh's killer was or what his motive was. Islam was by no means the only institution Van Gogh provoked/insulted/ridiculed/etc. There was an eye witness who said the killer was very stereotypically dressed as an Arab, but in such a way that it could easily be a disguise as well.

Well I never insisted Pim was killed by a muslim. the point was that according to the reports we've had so far this guy was killed by a muslim fundamentalist. There are too many dangerous anti-western muslims living in EU. There are reports of islamic radicals from almost every country, these people are just like the 19th century anarchists or the 20th century red brigades. They are something we must deal with.

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quote: Originally posted by Locutus Fortuyn was shot by a guy who was an animal rights fundie, muslims had nothing to do with it (though that was the first thing everyone assumed). There's no real evidence whatsoever yet about who Van Gogh's killer was or what his motive was. Islam was by no means the only institution Van Gogh provoked/insulted/ridiculed/etc. There was an eye witness who said the killer was very stereotypically dressed as an Arab, but in such a way that it could easily be a disguise as well.

quote: he perpetrator, who´s said to have stuck a pamphlet to Mr van Gogh's chest, was reportedly shot in the leg in an exchange of gunfire with a motorcycle policeman

Looks like they could have some clue if this report is true.

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quote: Originally posted by laurentius Well I never insisted Pim was killed by a muslim. the point was that according to the reports we've had so far this guy was killed by a muslim fundamentalist.

Not really. The reports we've had so far said Van Gogh been shot. That the killer was a muslim fundamentist is just the first conclusion everyone loves to jump to. Reread the article TMM posted: it doesn't mention anything about the killer, except that he was injured and arrested. It does tell that Van Gogh criticised Islam, implying there's a connection with the murder. But what the article doesn't mention is that Van Gogh criticised a million other institutions and individuals as well. There's no reason whatsoever at this point to assume the killer was a muslim fundie. It might have been, it might not have been...

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What happened to the eyewitness?

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yall europeans are so blatantly racist...

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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber Looks like they could have some clue if this report is true.

Yes, that will undoubtedly prove to be a very important clue. Plus, the guy was arrested, I'm sure the police will be having a some long chats with him...

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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer yall europeans are so blatantly racist...

Much less than you...so much less than you

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quote: I propose shooting them all.

quote: How long the Europe is going to tolerate these barbarians who call themselves muslims

quote: They dont understand how long and refined our traditions of massacring minorities are. They dont know what beast they are about to unleash.

what I wonder is if everybody else who has posted in here just blacked out while reading your posts or if they agree with you...

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Says Albert Speer an american muslim

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quote: Originally posted by laurentius What happened to the eyewitness?

Which one? From what I know, there were quite a few of them. The one eye witness I mentioned was the only one they interviewed on TV so far. She was some (I think Australian) chick who was in an appartment above the street where it happened. I don't know what happened to her beyond the fact that she was interviewed...

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I don't know anything about this guy. Was he a really popular film maker or someone that most people loved to hate. What I'm trying to get at is, will there be a great outpouring of emotion or is he someone only fringe people and activists will mourn

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i think you're breaking one of the forum rules, laurentius.

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What films did this guy make? Are any of them in English or are they only in Dutch?

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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer i think you're breaking one of the forum rules, laurentius.

I dunno, maybe. You sure you aint too? The fact that someone whose name is Albert Speer, who is an American who are well known for their hidden structural racism plus that you are a muslim, who tend to build their views of the world around hating jews, west and any other infidel calls us racist. It kinda takes away your credibility.

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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer what I wonder is if everybody else who has posted in here just blacked out while reading your posts or if they agree with you...

all these posts were made by one person

one racist european does not make a racist europe

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yeah but deride him or something...