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Locutus
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Hengelo, The Netherlands
Nov 1999
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Originally posted by WotanAnubis
On the "Greatest Dutchman Election" I have one thing to say: if only Fortuyn hadn't been shot. Then he'd have made such a mess of things that nobody would even consider him for the top ten |
Couldn't agree more there...
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and then that other guy who went against the establishment and got shot would've won. |
Nope, he was shot too late. The contest was already well on its way when he was shot, so he didn't even make it into the top 100. Had the contest been a few months later I'm sure he would have been though... 
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d have voted for that Rembrandt feller, he painted some real good pictures, even if they wuz kinda dark. |
I had a thread about this a few weeks ago, my top three would be Willem Van Oranje, Erasmus and Thorbecke. Of course, Thorbecke didn't even make it into the top ten
But indeed, there are so many great candidates that could've taken the place of Fortuyn in the top ten: Thorbecke, Hugo Grotius, Anton Philips, Anthony Fokker, M. C. Escher, Abel Tasman, Spinoza, Huygens, Johan Van Oldenbarneveld, Queen Wilhemina, etc...
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lord of the mark
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
time: 00:19
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Originally posted by Locutus
Couldn't agree more there...
Nope, he was shot too late. The contest was already well on its way when he was shot, so he didn't even make it into the top 100. Had the contest been a few months later I'm sure he would have been though...
I had a thread about this a few weeks ago, my top three would be Willem Van Oranje, Erasmus and Thorbecke. Of course, Thorbecke didn't even make it into the top ten
But indeed, there are so many great candidates that could've taken the place of Fortuyn in the top ten: Thorbecke, Hugo Grotius, Anton Philips, Anthony Fokker, M. C. Escher, Abel Tasman, Spinoza, Huygens, Johan Van Oldenbarneveld, Queen Wilhemina, etc... |
I was wondering if Spinoza would count, he was born in Portugal, no?
And if Tasman, how about Van Diemen?
Who was Thorbecke?
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Locutus
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ACS CTP1/2 Manager & Civ4 Co-Manager
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Hengelo, The Netherlands
Nov 1999
time: 06:19
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Originally posted by lord of the mark
I was wondering if Spinoza would count, he was born in Portugal, no? |
No, his parents were from Portugal, he himself was born in Amsterdam and AFAIK lived all his life in various cities in the Netherlands.
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And if Tasman, how about Van Diemen? |
Sure, him and if you want two-three dozen other explorers, governers, admirals, etc... 
He wrote the modern Dutch constitution in 1848. He's roughly to the Netherlands what the authors of the Declaration of Independence were to the US (not an entirely fair comparison as the authors of the Declaration were also the most prominent leaders in the American independence war, while the Netherlands had already been independent for centuries by Thorbecke's time -- but the manuscripts themselves were of equal importance).
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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
time: 05:19
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Originally posted by Last Conformist
There's a slight problem here, since the Albigensian Crusade took place in an area that a) was effectively outside the king's control before the war, and b) accounted for less than half the potential income of France in any way. |
The Feudal system was set up it I hold afief from a Great Baron (Noble with highter rank than Baron) I have to pay taxes to my overlord and pay apart of the rent I collect to my overlord and he or she in turn have to do the samething to his or her overload. The Lord of the Albigensian area paid taxes and part of the rent they collect to the King of France.
The King of France only have direct control over his personal fief near Paris. The only King to have some control over his entire Kingdom was the King of England,
but when King John went too far in takeing power from the Great Baron's they rebel than won force him to sign the Great Chater. Italy have no central government at that time.
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CharlesBHoff
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el paso texas
May 2002
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The Texas Law I talk about date from when Texas was than indepence nation also. It worked as destory other place of Workship rarely happen now in Texas.
The new Antiterrorism law willnot work the way the people think the Far Right Christian in Holland will use it to take control of Holland than form than NeoFascot state.
The ruleing Conservative Christian Social Union (CSU) party in Bavaria remind me of the Nazie Party as many Christian People support the Nazie Party and vote it into power in 1934.
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our_man
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Glasgow, Scotland
Oct 2000
time: 05:19
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By the year 2100 AD well more than half of the Muslim population will be dead. |
I'd imagine that all of the Muslim population around now would be dead by that time from natural causes. 
An interesting article in yesterday's Times.
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ISLAMIC preachers in Germany have been told that they may be ordered to deliver their sermons in German rather than in Arabic in an attempt to halt racist diatribes.
The move reflects Berlin’s fears that a spark of ethnic and religious unrest could leap from the Netherlands to Germany, a country with more than three million Muslims.
Support for such a move is growing after a television channel used hidden cameras to film the imam of a Berlin mosque frequented by young Turks. He was heard telling worshippers that “Germans can only expect to rot in the fires of hell because they are non-believers”.
The Germans, he said, would only support Turkish entry to the European Union if the Turks ripped down the minarets and bulldozed the mosques. Moreover, Germans smelt badly: “These nonbelievers, these Europeans, they do not even shave under their armpits, so that sweat gathers in their hair and makes them stink.” |
So Charles, this mad mullah has insulted our European custom of not shaving under our armpits  (among other things). Would it be OK in your view for some brave, patriotic European to kill him for what he has said criticizing European culture? You said the killer of Van Gogh was a brave man for murdering a critic of Islam - would you be so understanding if an imam were killed for criticizing European values?
If not, you're a hypocrite. If you do, then you live in a world where the idea of rule of law doesn't apply, and I find that quite frightening.
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BeBro
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of the Krauts
Mar 2000
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Anti-terror rally in Cologne
Twenty-thousand people, predominantly of Turkish origin, have staged an anti-terrorism, pro-peace march in the German city of Cologne. This follows urgings by Germany's politicians that the country's three million resident Muslims take a stronger stance again Islamist fundamentalism, especially in the wake of recent violence in the Netherlands. Protestors chanted "Islam is against terror" and carried German, Turkish and European flags. The rally was attended by numerous politicians, including conservative Bavarian state interior minister Guenther Beckstein and Greens co-leader Claudia Roth. She warned against wholesale prejudice against Muslims. The rally was organised by the Turkish-Islamic Union, which, with 800 mosques, is the largest religous grouping of Turks in Germany.
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From http://www.dw-world.de/dw/news/0,1567,12215_7,00.html
Since the events in the Netherlands there is a lot of panic here in the media if similar things could happen anywhere in Europe, and in Germany too, although there is no imminent threat. Of course one demo doesn't solve our problems but I'm quite glad that a lot of muslims decided to speak out against the fundies 
Maybe there's hope for CBH too
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our_man
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Glasgow, Scotland
Oct 2000
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That Imnan was stateing than truth which Europe |
Nope, Boff, wrong again. While European men for the most part don't shave under their armpits, practically all the women I know do. So even taking this frivolous point, the Imam is lying. Now answer my question, is it OK to kill him for insulting Europeans?
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Islam is growing rapidly as it have answer to problen. |
Boff, your ability for self-delusion is remarkable. If Islam is growing so rapidly because it offers people answers, pray tell why we get so many Muslims converting to Christianity in Ireland (admittedly nearly all of them are Nigerian women, but there are still a lot). The Muslim population of Ireland grew from 3,000 to 19,000 in the last census, but the Christians gained 229,000 and the atheists even more. If you want to compare rate of growth figures, the Russian Orthodox Church went from 800 to 10,000, surely that pwns all!
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First Europe doesnot want Turkey in the ECU and is looking for any excuse. |
Wrong again. There is substantial lobbying for Turkey to join the EU from member countries e.g. Britain. Your ignorance really shines through here: you agree with what the Imam says about us making Turkey tear down its mosques if it wants to join the EU. But the fact is that the EU is far more tolerant towards expression of Islam than Turkey is. Turkey wouldn't put up with this Muslim loon stuff the way we do here in Europe.
How about we let Turkey join and, in the spirit of identifying with our Muslim brothers there, adopt some of Turkey's laws towards the treatment of Islam? You'd wind up in jail very quickly CHB in such an environment. 
Turkey, a secular Muslim country, friend of the West
CHB and Muslim loons 
CHB baiting 
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17-11-2004 01:42
. We're now stuck with people like Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh. We're still liked abroad, so all can't be that bad 
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