10-11-2004 23:15									#181
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Once upon a time, one Crusader asked another, "How do you tell a Christian from a Muslim?" as they entered Jerusalem. The other answered, "Kill them all and let God sort them out."

	10-11-2004 23:23									#182
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quote: First that film maker was wrong in makleing than anti-islam film and he brought his own death on himself.

So people that criticize Islam should be put to death? Please tell me that you consider yourself to be an extremist Muslim fundamentalist rather than a moderate one.

We have this wonderful thing in Western society Charles called the law. If this guy was found to be making a film that was inciting hatred against Muslims, there are laws to punish him for it. Why should a lone Muslim nut take it upon himself to be the judge, jury and executioner?

Funnily enough, van Gogh was sentenced for anti-semitism in 1991. As was already mentioned in this thread he stirred controversy among Christians, Jews and Muslims. Having not seen his work I don't know if his 'anti-semitic' works were more damning than his others, but I would hope that it wasn't treated more severly because it was viewed as anti-semitic as opposed to being an indictment of any another religion. I don't really approve of anti-semitism being treated more seriously then any other form of hate crime.

I digress. Charles, this guy annoyed people from three different religions, yet only the Muslim guy took the law into his own hands, probably because he shared the same enlightened philosophy as you: that he brought his death upon himself.

You give Muslims a bad name.

	10-11-2004 23:41									#183
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Why would criticism of the treatment of women in Islamic countries be considered controversial? It is a well known fact that women are essentially second class citizens in a number of Islamic countries, including Iran, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, (northern) Nigeria and a number of the Gulf states. By and large the most outspoken Islamic groups advocate the oppression of women and are not at all defensive about their opinions.

Are you saying that only muslim breat they wife. First I saw than oxfox jewish man almost breat his wife to death in public. A group of use disarm that villion. Then his lawyer try to in Jewish cival court where his wife was divore him, try the I than a anti-semate angle the head rabbia refuse to allow then to do so. First he said my view on Israel badly human right record is know to him and he agree with me on that, than he said it I was even than anti-semate it would have no bearding on the case at hand, and he state for the record that I never harm any jew or vandate any jewish place of workship or rape any jewish woman. He even try to use some old Jewish law to stay he have the right to beat.

	10-11-2004 23:44									#184
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quote: Originally posted by our_man So people that criticize Islam should be put to death? Please tell me that you consider yourself to be an extremist Muslim fundamentalist rather than a moderate one. We have this wonderful thing in Western society Charles called the law. If this guy was found to be making a film that was inciting hatred against Muslims, there are laws to punish him for it. Why should a lone Muslim nut take it upon himself to be the judge, jury and executioner? Funnily enough, van Gogh was sentenced for anti-semitism in 1991. As was already mentioned in this thread he stirred controversy among Christians, Jews and Muslims. Having not seen his work I don't know if his 'anti-semitic' works were more damning than his others, but I would hope that it wasn't treated more severly because it was viewed as anti-semitic as opposed to being an indictment of any another religion. I don't really approve of anti-semitism being treated more seriously then any other form of hate crime. I digress. Charles, this guy annoyed people from three different religions, yet only the Muslim guy took the law into his own hands, probably because he shared the same enlightened philosophy as you: that he brought his death upon himself. You give Muslims a bad name.

Holand doesnot enforce they law well enough on hate film so a brave man have to do it.

	10-11-2004 23:46									#185
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quote: Are you saying that only muslim breat they wife

*sigh *
No, that's NOT what he's waying.

	10-11-2004 23:49									#186
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quote: Originally posted by laurentius Inta humar I'm not going to reply to a clown who doesnt even bother to read the thread.

I did read the threat. Friend you state all muslim could be killed and then you claim to have muslim friends.

	10-11-2004 23:50									#187
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quote: Originally posted by alva quote: Are you saying that only muslim breat they wife *sigh * No, that's NOT what he's waying.

that is what he said.

	10-11-2004 23:50									#188
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So, it's his choice if he want's to be a necropheliac.

	10-11-2004 23:52									#189
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quote: Originally posted by our_man So people that criticize Islam should be put to death? Please tell me that you consider yourself to be an extremist Muslim fundamentalist rather than a moderate one. We have this wonderful thing in Western society Charles called the law. If this guy was found to be making a film that was inciting hatred against Muslims, there are laws to punish him for it. Why should a lone Muslim nut take it upon himself to be the judge, jury and executioner? Funnily enough, van Gogh was sentenced for anti-semitism in 1991. As was already mentioned in this thread he stirred controversy among Christians, Jews and Muslims. Having not seen his work I don't know if his 'anti-semitic' works were more damning than his others, but I would hope that it wasn't treated more severly because it was viewed as anti-semitic as opposed to being an indictment of any another religion. I don't really approve of anti-semitism being treated more seriously then any other form of hate crime. I digress. Charles, this guy annoyed people from three different religions, yet only the Muslim guy took the law into his own hands, probably because he shared the same enlightened philosophy as you: that he brought his death upon himself. You give Muslims a bad name.

Because I fight back. Too many muslim are afraid to speak out.

	10-11-2004 23:55									#190
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Is there a language you understand?

	11-11-2004 00:04									#191
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quote: Because I fight back. Too many muslim are afraid to speak out.

If you want to fight back, how come you aren't in Fallujah with the rest of the 'noble' mujaheddin? You're sitting behind your computer, conducting 'cyber warfare' from El Paso in the name of Allah, no doubt.

Seriously though, you're fighting back - against what? Whatever battle you imagine is being waged is simply in your head. I think I've misunderstood you Boff - you're probably just another confused kid desperately looking for a sense of purpose, a cause, in this crazy, mixed up world. Life just isn't right, so you've got to find some other reason besides yourself to explain it away - the evil, oppressive Western civilization. Pathetic.

	11-11-2004 00:05									#192
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quote: Originally posted by germanos update: police stormed the house. Eyewitnesses say two men arrested, not confirmed nor denied by the police.

Dutch police
Islamist radicals
Vigilantes who attack Muslim schools
Dutch people addressing the problem of Salafi-jihadi radicalism, while keeping in mind the need to maintain freedom of speech for muslims as well as those who criticize Islam

	11-11-2004 00:06									#193
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor That's a possibility. With the recent rise of religious zealotry among our Muslims, there have been many small, unadequate mosques that opened. It's much better for us to have larger mosques with an imam we know for being kosher. Since the Muslim organizations want to integrate the Republic, they'll happily agree having a moderate imam in a large mosque, whereas small ones may be out of their control.

The people who pray at the Mosques pick the imam not the State. They can pick whatever person they want to be imam, as there is no educration required for the job, local muslim enthic group pick imam whom they trust not some local non-muslim worthless govenment who donot believe in God.

	11-11-2004 00:09									#194
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I guess I should update some more:

Police confirmed the arrest of two man. One of them is hospitalized.

I want to add I'm so bloody proud of the police who captures these guys and don't kill them.

	11-11-2004 00:18									#195
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Why would criticism of the treatment of women in Islamic countries be considered controversial? It is a well known fact that women are essentially second class citizens in a number of Islamic countries, including Iran, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, (northern) Nigeria and a number of the Gulf states. By and large the most outspoken Islamic groups advocate the oppression of women and are not at all defensive about their opinions.

In the El Paso Muslim community of 3000 I never saw than muslim man beat his wife in public. Wife beater come from all background not muslim like you are asumeing.

	11-11-2004 00:22									#196
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quote: Originally posted by CharlesBHoff Holand doesnot enforce they law well enough on hate film so a brave man have to do it.

Are you prepared to accept the same standard when someone is going to deal with the hate you spread?

	11-11-2004 00:26									#197
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Once upon a time, one Crusader asked another, "How do you tell a Christian from a Muslim?" as they entered Jerusalem. The other answered, "Kill them all and let God sort them out."

That why the Crusader lost in the end. That why we will lose in Iraq and Afghanistan. That puppet government we form in Iraq have no local or international legrimateity at all. The freedom fighter are doing a good job of discrediting the america military. Our dumb military destory over 60 mosques in thar Iraq city just out of spite.

	11-11-2004 00:43									#198
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Charlie! Long time, no see!

quote: Are you saying that only muslim breat they wife *sigh * No, that's NOT what he's waying.

To clarify this, since you clearly don't understand:

All sorts of people beat their wives. What Dr. Strangelove was talking about was the overall status of women in Islamic states. The official policy of those countries with regard to women is to treat them in a manner in which we here think is bad. When a man beats his wife in the USA, it's a crime. It's against the law, and he can be prosecuted. That's quite a difference from, say, Saudi Arabia.

So Dr. Strangelove was NOT saying that only Muslims beat their wives. You've got a huge chip on your shoulder. Put it down every once and a while.

-Arrian

	11-11-2004 01:25									#199
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quote: Originally posted by CharlesBHoff They can pick whatever person they want to be imam, as there is no educration required for the job, l

Some may say that is the problem.

	11-11-2004 01:35									#201
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Once upon a time, one Crusader asked another, "How do you tell a Christian from a Muslim?" as they entered Jerusalem. The other answered, "Kill them all and let God sort them out."

Actually, it wasn't Jerusalem. It was a small town in France. And the question was wether or not they were Catholics or Cathars (which is/was yet another Christian sect).

Although... it *may* have been a Crusade indeed.

	11-11-2004 01:37									#202
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One wonders what Ned was trying to say with that misquote, anyway. You're not one of those fundies who wants the Apocalypse, are you Ned?

-Arrian

	11-11-2004 01:40									#203
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	11-11-2004 01:41									#204
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Here is what I found via Google. I do not vouch for it's accuracy:

quote: It is attributed to Arnaud-Armaury, the Abbot of Citeaux, and "spiritual advisor" to the Albigensian Crusade. Pope Innocent III ordered the Albigensian Crusade, to purge southern France of the Cathari heretics. It began in the summer of 1209, with their first target - the town of Beziers. The Catholic faithful in Beziers refused to give up the Catharis among themselves. The crusaders invaded. When Arnaud-Amaury was asked whom to kill he replied "Kill them all. God will know his own." They did. The crusaders slaughtered nearly everyone in town, over 20,000, either burned or clubbed to death. Thus they achieved their goal of killing the estimated 200 heretics who were hiding in the town among the Catholic faithful. The brutal crusade continued on for the next twenty years. Eventually the Catholics devised a new approach for dealing with the remaining Cathari heretics in France. It was called "the Inquisition".

So, a crusade indeed, but not Jerusalem.

-Arrian

	11-11-2004 01:42									#205
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian One wonders what Ned was trying to say with that misquote, anyway. You're not one of those fundies who wants the Apocalypse, are you Ned? -Arrian

When I read the "one Crusader asked another" part I thought he is gind to tell a joke

	11-11-2004 03:10									#206
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quote: Originally posted by laurentius Is there a language you understand?

CBH has some sort of verbal disorder like dyslexia, but worse. It's not his fault. What he says may be nuts, but don't criticize him for something out of his control.

	11-11-2004 03:18									#207
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Oh I didnt know that :|

But still I dont understand how he can consider me muslim-hater, even after reading this thread. If its because of his dyslexia how are we suppose to communicate with him?

	11-11-2004 12:02									#208
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Charlie! Long time, no see! To clarify this, since you clearly don't understand: All sorts of people beat their wives. What Dr. Strangelove was talking about was the overall status of women in Islamic states. The official policy of those countries with regard to women is to treat them in a manner in which we here think is bad. When a man beats his wife in the USA, it's a crime. It's against the law, and he can be prosecuted. That's quite a difference from, say, Saudi Arabia. So Dr. Strangelove was NOT saying that only Muslims beat their wives. You've got a huge chip on your shoulder. Put it down every once and a while. -Arrian

You are wrong I tolde some muslim men about you non-muslim sdaying that all muslim men beat they wifes they laught at the lies you non-muslim make up. In El Paso almost all case wife beating involse Christian man.

	11-11-2004 12:02									#209
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No, after you decipher his posts, they still don't make sense. But you don't make fun of him for the poor writing, just the content

	11-11-2004 12:11									#210
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quote: Originally posted by WotanAnubis Actually, it wasn't Jerusalem. It was a small town in France. And the question was wether or not they were Catholics or Cathars (which is/was yet another Christian sect). Although... it *may* have been a Crusade indeed.

When the Crusader enter Jerusalem they kill all Christian includeing Roman Cath., Jew, and Muslim. They burn down all the christian church expect for one in Jerusalem. On they way to the Holy Land they attack Jewish center in Eastern and Western Europe. They might have said the samething.