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Spiffor is offline Spiffor
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I suspected it at first but now I'm totally sure that they mess with your drinking water...

The body fluid! The body fluids!

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germanos: I guess I have to agree. The reaction of the media and politics would be the same. But the demographics of the people who go and protest would probably be just about the inverse of what happened now. But I suppose that's only normal.

Spiffor: Well, I think most of the Dutch politicians, since Fortuyn, have gone beyond considering them victims here in Holland. On the one hand they have taken up a bit of a put-up-or-shut-up attitude. Integrate, and gimme your foreign passport too! On the other hand they take every opportunity to let them know they're different. (or something)

I actually read an interesting article in a newspaper a couple of weeks ago about the difference in attitudes and policies on immigrants and integration etc. between France and Holland... Unfortunately, I forgot most of it, so that's about the most interesting I can say about it.

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I don't know if mentioning this is allowed on Apolyton, but the movie Submission that Van Gogh made with Hirsi Ali is available via BitTorrent.

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germanos: I guess I have to agree. The reaction of the media and politics would be the same. But the demographics of the people who go and protest would probably be just about the inverse of what happened now. But I suppose that's only normal.



Excellent
I completely agree with you on the demographic difference.

I also agree with Spiffor that the murder of a hate preaching imam would spark some concern over racist tendencies.

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I don't know if mentioning this is allowed on Apolyton, but the movie Submission that Van Gogh made with Hirsi Ali is available via BitTorrent.

Is it's true there's naked women in it?

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Is it's true there's naked women in it?

Are you that desperate? Find yourself some porn on Usenet...

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Is it's true there's naked women in it?

Know of any Dutch movie without....?

Either some scat is portrayed, or the movie itself is a bunch of ****.

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Are you that desperate? Find yourself some porn on Usenet...

No, I'm just suggesting I care more for second-rate porn than for a human being being brutally murdered on an open street.

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quote:
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Know of any Dutch movie without....?


De Dominee

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It seems to have begun

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3991547.stm

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Yeah, this was expected to happen.. kind of weak to target students at school though.. Well, this is a promise for a new cycle, alienated youth will answer, and then someone answers back etc etc etc.

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It has not begun, it's an escalation.

Eversince van Gogh was killed, arson attempts have been made at mosques, islamic schools and other meeting places of muslims. Rascist/xenophobic texts have been sprayed on such buildings as well.

Thankfully I have heard of no reports of molestations yet.

In general I must say though things have been very calm.

There have been two small demonstrations in Amsterdam and Den Haag (seat of Parliament) by muslim organisations.


On a side note: van Gogh was sentenced by the High Court for anti-semitism in 1991.

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On CNN World about an hour ago, there was a report of a police raid or something on the Hague, a large explosion and several police hurt.

What is going on?

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Very little information is given. What is clear though that the police attempted to arrest somebody (or more) during the night, but failed. Several explosions were heard and automatic weapons fire. Some say the door was booby-trapped. Apparently two officers are severely wounded by a handgranade that exploded.

Police retreated and called in the help of special (militairy) units.

According to a neighbour the guy inside the house yelled 'Allahu Akhbar' and 'Ik snij je strot eraf' (I'm gonna slit yer throat).


Area is sealed off, nothing is happening.



In other related news: tonight an islamic primary school was burned down. (arson most likely, as 'white power' symbols were found on the walls, along with Theo R.I.P.)
The day before that two churches had an attempted arson.

I live in a mixed neighbourhood with plenty of Turks, Morrocans, Surinamers and the lot, and I find the atmosphere totally relaxed. (before ya'll think hell has broken loose here )

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No. A crackdown on islamic activity might be another Kristallnacht.
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If a society can't protect itself without resorting to this sort of thing than it isn't worth saving. I have more faith in the Dutch than that.

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The terrorists' warning is pretty self-explainatory: "Stop treating us like terrorists or we will destroy your country"

I fear Europe will wake up just too late

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How does the government look for legitimate terrorists without the Islamists claiming they are targeting all muslims?

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update: police stormed the house. Eyewitnesses say two men arrested, not confirmed nor denied by the police.

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We should do something about these islamic fundies. I propose shooting them all.


How about starting with your hately of Islam. First that film maker was wrong in makleing than anti-islam film and he brought his own death on himself.

Than criminmal Christian threw two fire bomb at our Islamist Center the El Paso police arrest that human right and cival right criminal than he is going to pirson for a very long time. The people of El Paso donot tolace crime of this type unlike the Dutch who seem like to me to be criminal.

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We should do something about these islamic fundies. I propose shooting them all.


Shooting is a bit extreme. Sending them back to wherever they came from seems like the best solution

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First that film maker was wrong in makleing than anti-islam film and he brought his own death on himself.


Yeah, that sure is enough reason to be slaughtered

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He addressed domestic violence! Kill him!

Savages

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How does the government look for legitimate terrorists without the Islamists claiming they are targeting all muslims?


You cannot. The two dirlt secxert of Terrorism that no government want you to know.

First terrorist cannot be defeat by police or military units or by the state. Only than political solution can do that. State call people who they donot want than political solution terrorist so they can delegimate them.

Two Terrorist and terrorism win in the end.

The regurate Irish police in Ireland donot like the IRA and never help the IRA. They arrest IRA member when they can. But you cannot tell than IRA member from than regular Irishman so the police doesnot try to do so, let the dumb English deal with that problem.

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he brought his own death on himself.


Charles, you have been reported.

There is no way you can excuse a murderer.

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Yeah, it funny how some people think its okay to kill someone who critizises you.

My question is: How long the Europe is going to tolerate these barbarians who call themselves muslims. Sooner or later there will be a counter-reaction by the people. I'm afraid that day is not far away. They dont understand how long and refined our traditions of massacring minorities are. They dont know what beast they are about to unleash.


First european woman arenot haveing than enought baby born to replace their population. It only muslim woman who are haveing alots of baby an european woman who convert to Islam have more babies than european who donot convert. That why the muslim donot worry about the French ban on the headscraf wait 20 years the muslim are now the majority and can vote to end the headscarf ban.

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he brought his own death on himself.


Charles, you have been reported.

There is no way you can excuse a murderer.

Dude, there's no need to report.
Debate, talk, discuss...

Shutting up people does not work, dammit!

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Actually I'm still in favour of that. The men who preach hate in the koran shools and mosques should be shot or locked away forever. People like the leader of Ansar al-islam living in Norway.

and btw, my room mate is a muslim and we are good friends.


You contrite yourself there. How can you have a muslim friend with your hateed of muslim.

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Inta humar


I'm not going to reply to a clown who doesnt even bother to read the thread.

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