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Ben Kenobi
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McGregornobi!
Oct 2002
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No. What the dems, and too many poly posters, need to recognize is that these are not inconsequential issues to the people who believe in them (which includes many if not most moderates).
If I was to say that, so long as americans continue to misunderstand and belittle Islamic beliefs in the world we will face the threat of terrorism, you might agree. The mirror to that is that as long as liberals continue to misunderstand and ignore Christian beliefs in America they will loose.
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Very true.
They are not inconsequential issues, the people who find them important, believe that the fate of the Republic will hinge on their decision.
This is why it is good for the US to rely upon these people for their important decisions, because they, moreso than the liberals, understand the challenge offered by the Islamic countries. They understand the viewpoint that it may take generations to accomplish what will be needed, so it is best to start on the right path now.
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Agathon
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Leafs 4TW!! - CPA
Dec 2002
time: 00:19
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Folly, thou conquerest, and I must yield!
Against stupidity the very gods
Themselves contend in vain. Exalted reason,
Resplendent daughter of the head divine,
Wise foundress of the system of the world,
Guide of the stars, who art thou then if thou,
Bound to the tail of folly's uncurbed steed,
Must, vainly shrieking with the drunken crowd,
Eyes open, plunge down headlong in the abyss.
Accursed, who striveth after noble ends,
And with deliberate wisdom forms his plans!
To the fool-king belongs the world.
Friedrich von Schiller
The Maid of Orleans (1801) Act iii scene 6 (as translated by Anna Swanwick) |
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MrFun
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of Iowa
Nov 2000
time: 23:19
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My feelings that I have now are a combination of  
But I want to express some thoughts that I have developed since yesterday as I watched the election unfold.
First, there is a historical parallel with something that could potentially develop in the near future. One of the reasons Reconstruction failed after the Civil War, was that the Republican Party could no longer afford to be tarred and feathered by the Democrats as a "nigger-loving" party and to be associated with "dangerous radicals" in regards to proposed Reconstruction policies.
So in 1877, the Republican Party took the first step in compromising its founding ideals, in exchange for political power by distancing itself from the plight and real concerns of Southern blacks.
Fast forward to today. IF the Democratic Party takes the election results as a serious mandate for internal party change then Democratic leaders will foster a reassessment of its own party. Reassessment could result in a better, stronger Democratic Party while reviving its ideals of equality and civil rights, or the Democratic Party will decide to distance itself from the concerns of gays and lesbians even more so than some Democrats already have.
If the Democratic Party reassesses itself, and decides that they should compromise on ideals of equal rights and civil rights in exchange for renewed political power such as the Republican Party had done towards the end of Reconstruction, then gay communities across the nation may face even more challenges. The reason? When the Republican Party renounced its ideals and drew back from Reconstruction, African-Americans were left without a political party to appeal for their concerns from the 1880s to the middle of the 1940s.
In the near future, if the Democratic Party decides to completely renounce all efforts to consider the concerns of gays and lesbians, then gay communities across the nation will be without a political party. I am well aware of Democrats who are homophobic or who cave into political pressures from Republican homophobics now, and in recent past. What I am saying though, is that as a WHOLE -- with the entire party -- it might turn its back entirely to gays and lesbians.
I do not know though, if this kind of negative, reactionary reassessment will even occur. But we cannot simply dismiss this as a fantastical scenario. In our nation's history before, political parties have made such reassessments in order to renew their political power.
What are other people's thoughts on this?
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