04-11-2004 04:24									#91
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The only communist state in the Arab world was North Yemen and that country continues to be filled with raving muslim fundimentalists. The communists government didn't do very well in Afghanistan either.

	04-11-2004 04:51									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Less then 1/5 of the deficit is caused by increased military spending. The other 4/5 is caused by tax cuts, new entitlement spending, and things like the farm subsidies.

Raising general taxes is not on the table for me, not do the enttitlments seem to be for the Goverment (I could hope, but not expect they could chop some) about all that could go is some of the expesive and ineffectuall homeland defense, and better prioritizing of the war on terror. That is why i said some increase in finacial displine. Most cutting of the defict under such cnostrainst will have to come from increase in the tax base by economic growth, and allowing some specific target tax cuts to expire as their stated ourpose becomes oviated.

	04-11-2004 04:53									#93
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Once again Lefty is one of the sole voices of reason.

	04-11-2004 05:08									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola Raising general taxes is not on the table for me, not do the enttitlments seem to be for the Goverment (I could hope, but not expect they could chop some) about all that could go is some of the expesive and ineffectuall homeland defense, and better prioritizing of the war on terror. That is why i said some increase in finacial displine. Most cutting of the defict under such cnostrainst will have to come from increase in the tax base by economic growth, and allowing some specific target tax cuts to expire as their stated ourpose becomes oviated.

Of course, Bush wants permanent tax cuts and to add more tax cuts on top of this. Of course, he wants to increase spending too.

*sigh*

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	04-11-2004 05:26									#95
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Is devaluing the dollar also on his agenda?

	04-11-2004 05:28									#96
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Helps exports.

	04-11-2004 05:30									#97
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Weak dollar

	04-11-2004 05:37									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy No, we Americans don't like what gays are doing (there's a difference), which is detroying the moral character of our nation and thus destroying our nation.

quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy No, we Americans don't like what gays are doing (there's a difference), which is INFECTING the MORAL INTEGRITY of our NATION with their EVIL, VILE PRACTICES, thus resulting in the TOTAL COLLAPSE of our GREAT CHRISTIAN REPUBLIC! But we dont have them We just want to purge them. Theres a difference. Seriously!

	04-11-2004 05:53									#99
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quote: which is detroying the moral character of our nation and thus destroying our nation.

Freedom's a *****, isn't it?

quote: isnt it widely noted that Thomas never writes opinions, and usually defers to Scalia?

Thomas writes plenty of opinions and has been on the opposite side of Scalia on more than one occasion. Thomas-Scalia pairing has been VERY overexaggerated by the left.

	04-11-2004 05:53									#100
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you guys are still talking about the election?

old news

move on with your lives

I'm actually serious here. I'm not going to stress over whoever is the president. Yeah it sucks for the military who has to do his whim. But it's out of my hands now. I did my duty to get rid of him. But I already have enough depression in my life, I can't be thinking about each individual life lost in Iraq. that **** drags me down.

So I will put this behind me and take a lesser interest in politics. Actually before I came here, I really wasn't interested in politics at all.

	04-11-2004 05:55									#101
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quote: The problem is with lack of freedom and democracy that encourages impoverished youth to joint radical organizations that seeks "revenge" against the "external" cause of the poverty. The solution is to bring freedom and democracy to a land bereft of rights and hope.

It must be the horror of losing the election that has me somewhat agreeing with Ned. The only trouble is to make sure that the democratic governments that one creates are seen as legitimate, and not as American puppet regimes. It is for this reason that it is important to work with the UN, so it is a broad spectrum of support for regimes (such as is the case in Afghanistan), and not the very limited international support (GB, Poland, Australia) that have lined up behind Iraq.

	04-11-2004 05:55									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident you guys are still talking about the election? old news move on with your lives

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I much prefer the election

	04-11-2004 06:02									#103
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One more thing before I leave this thread.

How does the president personally affect you? This is a poll question.

To tell you the truth, I can't see it. I live my life the same way under Geroge Bush as I did under Clinton. Presidents have very little influence over my life.

Yes I do see how it affects other people. Please don't think I'm being selfish. See my Iraqi soldier example above. But I can only depress myself with such matters a finite amount of time. Or I'd go insane with grief.

Presidential policies really have no influence over my life, or anyone that I know.

	04-11-2004 06:16									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley Is devaluing the dollar also on his agenda?

Increases foregin investment in America.

	04-11-2004 06:21									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe Helps exports.

It hasn't helped yet. People are still buying from the same old places, like Canada snd China.

	04-11-2004 06:38									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: which is detroying the moral character of our nation and thus destroying our nation. Freedom's a *****, isn't it?

Freedom is defined however the majority of people wish to define it. If the majority of people wish to define freedom as being freedom from gay marriage then so be it.

Freedom's a "pitch" isn't it?

	04-11-2004 06:55									#107
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quote: If the majority of people wish to define freedom as being freedom from gay marriage then so be it.

Oh, the 'freedom from'. You are sounding like FDR .

Funny, I thought that conservatives were AGAINST legislating morality! Funny me... it seems they were making that up .

	04-11-2004 07:02									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: If the majority of people wish to define freedom as being freedom from gay marriage then so be it. Oh, the 'freedom from'. You are sounding like FDR . Funny, I thought that conservatives were AGAINST legislating morality! Funny me... it seems they were making that up .

Laws are based on someone's morals; that's where laws come from. If our laws were based immorals (lawlessness) rather than morals we would have an anarchy.

	04-11-2004 07:04									#109
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Then why I do keep hearing conservatives whine that liberals are legislating morality? Such as when Massachusetts said it was unconstitutional to ban gay marriage. And what happens with the US Supreme Court runs banning gay marriage violates Equal Protection?

	04-11-2004 07:15									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Then why I do keep hearing conservatives whine that liberals are legislating morality? Such as when Massachusetts said it was unconstitutional to ban gay marriage.

What conservatives really mean is that liberals are legislating immorality.

quote: And what happens with the US Supreme Court runs banning gay marriage violates Equal Protection?

In your dreams! With Bush reelected chances are we will have a conservative Supreme Court very soon!

But if all else fails the states can still (and some did yesterday) vote on the Federal Marriage Amendment. If at least 38/50 states (3/4) and two-thirds of the house and senate vote for it then there is nothing the Supreme Court can do about it.

May the will of God and the will of the people be done.

	04-11-2004 07:21									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident you guys are still talking about the election? old news move on with your lives

If this is your opinion, fine. But others believe that this results of this election of president and representatives will have significance into the future, beyond 2008.

	04-11-2004 07:21									#112
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quote: What conservatives really mean is that liberals are legislating immorality.

Yeah, to them. Doesn't mean they are right.

Perhaps it's a good time to say again: freedom is a ***** .

quote: In your dreams! With Bush reelected chances are we will have a conservative Supreme Court very soon!

Um... FYI, we already do. And they, in Lawrence v. Texas said laws against sodomy are unconstitutional.

quote: But if all else fails the states can still (and some did yesterday) vote on the Federal Marriage Amendment. If at least 38/50 states (3/4) and two-thirds of the house and senate vote for it then there is nothing the Supreme Court can do about it.

Congress has to pass it and they never will. They've blocked it twice, with a REPUBLICAN majority.

quote: May the will of God and the will of the people be done.

God is dead .

	04-11-2004 07:25									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Ned My thoughts are that you should stop thinking of the Republican Party as being anti-gay. Being against "gay marriage" is not the same thing as being homophobic. Republicans favor domestic rights legislation. It is time for Democratic gays to drop their overly aggressive anti-Republicanism, as it only makes working together for better gay rights very difficult. I would like to point to what almost happened to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Martin Luther King and his highly partisan organization demonstrated outside of Senator Dirksen's headquarters in Illinois. Dirksen at the time was a Republican minority leader of the Senate and was cooperating with Hubert Humphrey and Lyndon Johnson in attempting to override the Southern Democrat filibuster of the Civil Rights Act. As a result of Kings demonstration, Dirksen complained publicly and said that he would withdraw his support of the Civil Rights Act if these kind of demonstrations continued. I hear no gay bashing from the Republican leadership. I do hear a substantial amount of Republican-bashing from gays. Republican-bashing has got to stop.

I am not Republican-bashing, since I do respect moderate Republicans who are not on a leash held by the religious right.

To say that Republicans who supported Bush's anti-gay amendment and then claim that he does not hate gays is absurd. It would be similar to saying that those who opposed interracial marriage did not hate blacks.

	04-11-2004 07:36									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: What conservatives really mean is that liberals are legislating immorality. Yeah, to them. Doesn't mean they are right.

Republicans are legislating morality (right) not immorality (wrong).

quote: Perhaps it's a good time to say again: freedom is a ***** .

No, freedom is a pitch.

It's like a pitcher throwing a baseball. The pitcher can throw the ball in many different ways. Whatever the pitcher (the people) pitches to the hitter (the government) goes.

quote: Um... FYI, we already do. And they, in Lawrence v. Texas said laws against sodomy are unconstitutional.

The conservatives we have on the bench right now are RINO Republicans. That is, they are Republicans in name only; they are not really conservative.

The sad part is that 5 unelected judges have hijacked our constitution. That is all inevitably going to change soon, though. Anywhere from 2-4 of these judges could potentially retire in the next 4 years.

quote: Congress has to pass it and they never will. They've blocked it twice, with a REPUBLICAN majority.

We have a slight Republican majority in both houses, but if Democrats keep being the idiots they are and stay too far to the left (dividing the country) then they will continue to lose seats in both the house and the senate because they are not getting their message out to the so-called "fair-minded" Americans (swing voters).

quote: God is dead .

Jesus died and rose again! My redeemer lives!

	04-11-2004 07:42									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Theben Indiana's a solid red state. And the drift will teach those Ohioans a lesson! Just let me leave Indy 1st...

I'll be right behind you....

	04-11-2004 07:43									#117
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quote: Republicans are legislating morality (right) not immorality (wrong).

Other way around... banning gay marriage is immoral.

quote: Whatever the pitcher (the people) pitches to the hitter (the government) goes.

Incorrect. The government had to drag the people to accept that blacks were equal. Now they should do the same with gays.

quote: The conservatives we have on the bench right now are RINO Republicans. That is, they are Republicans in name only; they are not really conservative.

If they leave and form another party (which it seems you want) the Republicans lose the Senate, at least. The house, probably .

quote: The sad part is that 5 unelected judges have hijacked our constitution.

Enforced it, actually. Banning homosexual sodomy is obviously against the Equal Protection Clause.

And btw, the case saying banning sodomy is unconstituonal was a SIX to Three vote.

quote: We have a slight Republican majority in both houses, but if Democrats keep being the idiots they are and stay too far to the left (dividing the country) then they will continue to lose seats in both the house and the senate because they are not getting their message out to the so-called "fair-minded" Americans (swing voters).

Which has nothing to do with the fact that REPUBLICANS have BLOCKED the gay marriage amendment. Not the Democrats!

And the only one 'dividing' the country is Bush. That whole 'uniter not a divider' didn't work out too well, did it?

Oh, and independants went for Kerry in this election. You can look it up.

	04-11-2004 07:54									#118
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn It hasn't helped yet. People are still buying from the same old places, like Canada snd China.

Would be even worse with a stronger dollar.

	04-11-2004 08:58									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Being against "gay marriage" is not the same thing as being homophobic.

You are correct in theory, but most of the time a person who is against gay marriage is also homophobic.

quote: Republicans favor domestic rights legislation. It is time for Democratic gays to drop their overly aggressive anti-Republicanism, as it only makes working together for better gay rights very difficult.

This? From YOU!? Sorry, but I have to

quote: I hear no gay bashing from the Republican leadership. I do hear a substantial amount of Republican-bashing from gays. Republican-bashing has got to stop.

Ah, yes, b/c of course the gays started it. Meet them halfway, Ned, meet them halfway.

	04-11-2004 09:10									#120
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Probably completely unrelated to anything, but it just struck me. I find myself feeling more sympathetic to John Kerry the person now that I know he's lost. My view on his political agenda hasn't changed (of course), but I actually feel a little sorry for him as a person now that it's all over, after digesting all the news and watching some additional footage.

A bit strange, does anyone feel the same way?