04-11-2004 14:19									#181
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker In 1999 there was absolutley nobody on the planet that could stop us. Culturally we also owned the world in 1999, and most people generally liked us. Now everybody hates us, our military is tied down in Iraq, and our global economic dominance keeps shrinking.

True. There´s just a minor flaw in your assessment:
Why do Americans always compare themselves to single countries when they piss off dozens at a time? At any time there would have been the power to stop the US, even in 1999.

Expensive high-tech weapons commanded by chimpanzees are in no way guarantors for success

	04-11-2004 14:23									#182
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander I realized as soon as the Dems selected Kerry that we were screwed. So I've had plenty of time to to accept that fact and calm myself. Since the election I've been enjoying a little bit of local schadenfruede, as the town I live in is obnoxiously liberal and it's good for it to get a reality check from time to time. They just can't believe that everyone didn't vote for Kerry. After all everyone they knew voted for him. But I voted for constipated. That steak I had for dinner is still holding on for dear life.

Metamucil added to your diet might help with that in the future.

Edit: Mumbles something about crossposts...

	04-11-2004 15:25									#183
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I'm going to have to go with Sad. But see, I don't think I would have felt any different if Kerry was elected, it's like that with a lesser of two evils election. Better the devil you know than the one you don't?

I am optimistic that Bad Things are going to happen, but also nervous given that feeling schadenfreude is quite inappopriate - when Americas economy goes poopy the effects will be quite global. Theres no point in getting frustrated or constipated over it, so I'll stick with sad

	04-11-2004 15:47									#184
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quote: Originally posted by Kull The occupant of never-never land is he who won't recognise reality when it slaps him in the face. Argue all you want about whether their nation is in decline or on the rise - the Patrician (Republican) citizens of Rome (USA) don't give a fig for the opinions and feelings of the effete intellectual citizenry of Ancient Greece (Europe/Canada). Rome will exercise power when and where we see fit, and there are none to say us nay. React in laughter or horror as you see fit, it is what it is.

I thought that one of the reasons Kerry had trouble connecting with some voters was because he was too patrician

	04-11-2004 17:14									#185
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quote: Argue all you want about whether their nation is in decline or on the rise - the Patrician (Republican) citizens of Rome (USA) don't give a fig for the opinions and feelings of the effete intellectual citizenry of Ancient Greece (Europe/Canada). Rome will exercise power when and where we see fit, and there are none to say us nay

Except Vietnamese peasants who kicked your ass.

And now Islamic radicals who are kicking your ass.

	04-11-2004 19:44									#186
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Except Vietnamese peasants who kicked your ass. And now Islamic radicals who are kicking your ass.

Bah the "Gauls" are a mere nuisance, Kerry/Edwards even said so.

	04-11-2004 20:20									#187
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Not really. Half of all people after all.

I figure they must have a few people in the low 3's, since they get a narrow majority.

	04-11-2004 20:23									#188
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Except Vietnamese peasants who kicked your ass.

How many of them did we waste? The fact we figured that shithole wasn't worth our time being in doesn't mean we didn't have the capability to deal a lot more damage and to stay a lot longer.

quote: And now Islamic radicals who are kicking your ass.

Running us in circles and being a pain in the ass, yes. Kicking it, not by a long shot.

	04-11-2004 20:25									#189
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander I realized as soon as the Dems selected Kerry that we were screwed. So I've had plenty of time to to accept that fact and calm myself. Since the election I've been enjoying a little bit of local schadenfruede, as the town I live in is obnoxiously liberal and it's good for it to get a reality check from time to time. They just can't believe that everyone didn't vote for Kerry. After all everyone they knew voted for him. But I voted for constipated. That steak I had for dinner is still holding on for dear life.

Kerry was their best shot. No one else running stood a chance.

	04-11-2004 20:26									#190
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quote: Originally posted by Micha True. There´s just a minor flaw in your assessment: Why do Americans always compare themselves to single countries when they piss off dozens at a time? At any time there would have been the power to stop the US, even in 1999. Expensive high-tech weapons commanded by chimpanzees are in no way guarantors for success

Because getting a coalition of countries together to dick around with us in a concerted way would be pretty tough. Too many agendas and too many sets of perceived self-interest and strategic goals to meld together anything substantial enough to do us any damage.

	04-11-2004 20:27									#191
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Except Vietnamese peasants who kicked your ass. And now Islamic radicals who are kicking your ass.

*news flash* we won every battle in Vietnam. We kicked their ass up and down the block. Vietnam war was an absolute success.

It just so happens the war was unwinnable

	04-11-2004 20:50									#192
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I am happy that he won, despite all the propaganda against him (by the way, I don´t know why the media wastes all that money in the polls that are never right.) I am only sorry for Spain, but anyway we deserve it for offending the US

	04-11-2004 20:57									#193
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quote: Originally posted by OliverFA I am happy that he won, despite all the propaganda against him (by the way, I don´t know why the media wastes all that money in the polls that are never right.) I am only sorry for Spain, but anyway we deserve it for offending the US

Hm, US-flag, "Leeds, UK" as location, identifying as Spanish....

Now I am slightly confused...

	04-11-2004 20:59									#194
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. You're not the only one.

	04-11-2004 21:02									#195
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It's easy to explain. Oliver fled to Britain after the Spanish gave in to terrorists. Why he flies an US flag and not one of Norfolk Island, Tuvalu or Antarctica like everyone else, is however a complete mystery.

	04-11-2004 21:09									#196
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First I was happy from what I heard in the exit polls.
Then I was upset when the exit polls turned out to be bunk and Kerry started losing.
Then I started to develop a headache thinking that we would have a repeat of 2000. So I went to sleep.
Woke up and was actually happy to hear that the networks were essentially saying Kerry should give up.
Then I decided to back the winner GWB, After all I do support some of his policies.

	04-11-2004 21:15									#197
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some good points about Bush...this may take a few minutes

He has good ideas about restructuring the military. It was stupid of the democrats to critisize removing troops from germany. That just makes good sense.

His wife seems like a decent lady

hmm, I'm having trouble coming up with more

Actually I supported his social security plan over Kerry's. Kerry basically had no plan. I think privatization may be the key (though I haven't looked into the details on how Bush is going to accomplish this).

	04-11-2004 21:43									#198
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A kind of resigned, bemused schadenfreude- now right thinking (as opposed to Right 'thinking') Americans will understand how I felt when Thatcher was Prime Minister for what seemed such a long unpleasant time.

Alas the consequences for the world and America of a second Babybush term are so serious and potentially dire/disastrous, that any freude I derive from the schade is severely tempered by the fear of what the intellectually challenged 'speaks with god' has in, well I was going to say 'mind', but perhaps 'the pipeline' would be more appropriate.

Perhaps as M.T.G. says, undiluted evangelical Republicanism will create such an unpleasant taste in the American public's mouth that it will spew it out for a good few years after.

	04-11-2004 21:46									#199
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Thatcher was great. We need her back.

	04-11-2004 21:53									#200
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Delighted.

It's so nice to know that the US economy will be down the pan in a few years.

Self inflicted too. No sympathy whatsoever.

	04-11-2004 21:57									#201
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Thatcher was great. We need her back.

I'd say most British people would happily pay for you to have her- perhaps you could let her work her magic on the U.S. and you too could have record levels of post war unemployment and house repossessions.

Oh, and the aggrandizement of the secret state and the erosion of civil liberties, but you seem to be doing well in those respects already...

	04-11-2004 22:21									#202
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Impotent.

I only hope Bush govern for US only and leave the world alone, but.....

Well, Dissident appears he forgotted his medication

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	04-11-2004 22:31									#203
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I'm really really trying to get drunk enough to forget that Bush won, but its just not working. I can still spell for ****'s sake.

Hmmm, I think there's some left-over whiskey around here somewhere...

	04-11-2004 23:34									#204
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Except Vietnamese peasants who kicked your ass. And now Islamic radicals who are kicking your ass.

that is all im going to say about that

	04-11-2004 23:52									#205
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Thatcher was great. We need her back.

You can have her. She's going to kick the bucket any day now, anyway.

	04-11-2004 23:56									#206
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Vote: Frustrated.

	04-11-2004 23:57									#207
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quote: [SIZE=1]Actually I supported his social security plan over Kerry's. Kerry basically had no plan. I think privatization may be the key (though I haven't looked into the details on how Bush is going to accomplish this).

The plan will cost over 1 trillian dollars, because we are using all the money that is coming in.

-Drachasor

	05-11-2004 00:31									#208
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Privatization of social security is unbelievably stupid, but I'm not suprized that it may actually become a reality. It's got to be the stupidest idea ever.

	05-11-2004 00:55									#209
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I could not believe it, how could anyone vote for him?
Oh well, it doesn´t change much for us anyway...

	05-11-2004 01:12									#210
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I was sad. More blood, more wars, more stupidity.

On the other hand, perhaps we can pick up the remains of Rome. Loot, yay!